Talk:Venison

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No offense to Gene Nygaard intended, but though calorie is, in its most syntactically correct sense, a reference to a unit of measure and not the thing itself measured (food energy), very few lay people reading this article are going to know what food energy is, so I'm changing the reference back. Jkatzen 07:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

"No known cases of the disease have occurred in deer farms in the United States or Canada, but European farms in Scandinavia may have had several cases."

Is there any source for these "possible" cases in Scandinavia? External link, something? Reeseboisse 09:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

See [1] for link to UK dept. of Agriculture on TSE's. It would appear that thaey were transmitted their by importation of American Wild species.Brendandh 16:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Cases of CWD have occured throughout the United States. Edited page to reflect this. Links: [2] [3] Bmb 789 00:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Revert explanation

Hi all,

I reverted the removal of the mention of Trader Joe's and Alaska Airlines, because the edit summary associated with the removal seems to indicate that they were removed because they were considered "stealth advertising" or astroturfing, but the diff that introduced this language and these companies seem to have been made in good faith, because someone thought that this was notable information (a lot of other things were changed about the article as well). - RedWordSmith 17:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no doubt it was done in good faith, but it's still a rather obvious breach of neutrality and pointless promo of companies with very tenuous relationships to venison. I removed them because they don't actually add much to the general knowledge about venison, not merely because I suspected a corporate rat.

Peter ^Isotalo 18:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

US centric

Some parts of this seems to be fairly US centric. For example, I'm fairly sure venison has been a fairly exotic meat for a while in NZ, not something for 'unsophisticated rural dwellers'. And then there's the talk of doe licenses and cost. Worse, some parts are unclear that they are US centric Nil Einne 22:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

True, for example in this statement: "In North America venison is less available at retail due to the requirement that the animal is first inspected by USDA inspectors." North America is a continent not controlled by USDA inspectors. It would be nice to hear from our Canadian contributors about the availability of venison in major cities (as well as in the country) over there. AlexNB (talk) 06:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

As an avid hunter and outdoorsman, I would like to state that deer in the US are often harvested by private landowners in forested areas. This practice is prevalent in the south, and many of these private landowners either butcher the meat themselves or take their meat to local butcher shops. Which are very prevalent in the US countryside where deer and other wild game is harvested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.189.246.221 (talk) 17:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

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Does anyone know much about this UK Kosher stuff? I tried to find a reference for this and the same thing is repeated elsewhere, but I can find no first-hand sources. Furthermore, googling "uk venison abattoir" reveals sources that refer to abattoir-slaughtered deer. I'm tagging disputed for the moment. 82.17.75.247 (talk) 23:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC) Err, this was actually me without being logged in. Fish-Face (talk) 23:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

In UK

The statement on no deer abattoirs in the UK is incorrect, there are several deer abattoirs in the UK. Whoever wrote that should remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innesm (talk • contribs) 00:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Venison vs. Veal

It's unclear to me why the title of this page was Venison then the beginning paragraphs reference only veal. It appears to me that Venison has erroneously been replaced by Veal in these paragraphs as several of them are true for Venison (any game meat but especially deer) but not for Veal (baby cow). For example, Veal is not less expensive because you can hunt it - I'm not aware of places you can hunt baby cow in the wild. (Also, that Venison refers to any game meat esp. deer but veal = baby cow, note the reference I added when changing those words in the definition.) I left the sentence referencing the USDA as Veal because I don't have time this second to research it further, however the reference link does not work and in fact seems to direct to a URL that doesn't look related to the USDA. I imagine that sentence also should read "Venison" and I will update the link (to the USDA site) and the sentence when I have time to make sure it is correct. Kengwen (talk) 16:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC) Kengwen (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Farmed V Wild Venison

Wild venison is culled by shooting and the meat is then dressed and sold. However farmed venison can only be slaughtered in abattoirs under strict guidelines laid down by the Farm Animal Welfare Council and the Institute of Environmental Health Officers. All persons who slaughter farm deer must possess a slaughterman's licence under the Slaughterhouse Act 1974. ref = [4] Ochib (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Pet food

It'd be worth mentioning venison can also be used in the preparation of pet food. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.218 (talk) 19:34, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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"Since wild deer are not confined to limited spaces and eat a natural diet, their meat is natural and hormone free." - Meat being 'natural' seems a given (animal meat is never artificial). The fact that the animals are allowed more space has no connection to meat being natural as well. More space could mean healthier animals, or different meat because the animal used its muscles more, but I would not use 'natural' to describe these characteristics. The natural environment could be contaminated as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.211.207.92 (talk) 15:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Organ Meats

The introduction to the article says the venison can include organ meats, but in the Definition section, it says that organ meats are *not* venison. Since the latter is cited, but the former is not, I was inclined to remove the former, but I'll wait to see if anyone else comments. ShawnVW (talk) 04:29, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Fun fact certain deer parts can be poisonous due to their diet, such as the liver due to the fact their diet includes snails unintentionally. 207.74.79.229 (talk) 16:55, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Religious issues

In my opinion, Wikipedia should avoid issuing blanket fatawa on issues such as, for example, the circumstances under which deer may be hunted "in Islam". This is not at all a legitimate way of transmission of Shari'a knowledge and is not how Islam works at all -- there are multiple perspectives on every issue and consideration should be given to that if a discussion on Shari'a discussion is to be entertained. However talking about what is and isn't "allowed" "in Islam" in an authoritative tone as is inherent to encyclopedias as a medium is harmful and based on total misunderstandings of traditional fiqh, and is a repudiated practice by Sunnis and Shi'as.

It may be preferable to say something like "is considered forbidden by such-and-such scholar of such-and-such madhhab" but there is no reason whatsoever to prioritise the opinion of that scholar over for instance other scholars or the teachings of sufi tariqahs or local communities. Doing so makes Wikipedia party to a debate on religion which is clearly inappropriate.

Khanates (talk) 05:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Czechia

Hey guys, I would like to encourage you to revise the paragraph about Czechia. I am Czech and I have seen plenty abroad and I was shocked to see almost the biggest and also first mention per country about my country on English wiki while it usually tends to be UK or US. The info in the paragraph is up to some extent based on truth however there is zero reason to make people feel like we are some extreme venison lovers compared to the rest of the world. Long story short, venison is enjoyed and available somewhat less than the article indicates while it is enjoyed much more than zero or almost zero in most of Europe at least. You may find somewhat more frequently in Czechia and some venison dishes can be considered a typical or even traditional Czech food but that is roundabout it. I can tell you pretty much as for years now I only look for vegan or almost vegan or game dishes over here and it´s always hard to find any of them. The least correct part would be this "widely available in butcher shops in fresh state, distributed by wholesalers" - maybe if your butcher shops are some poshy butchers in Prague only, normal shops incl. supermarkets usually have none or just occasionally one thing. What is true on the other hand is that the offer surpassed the demand lately, reasons being overpopulated roes and boars on one side and I really wish to know what on the other side as this is the best meat you can get. I don´t know if this could be a significant reason or not but a widespread myth circulated(s) around that extensive (and so some people even skip that word) consuming of game (especially venison) meat causes gout mainly because it used to be illegal for peasantry to hunt and a privilege for the nobility. Also a big trend here is to eat beef (as for quality and western higher standard feeling), poultry (light and "healthy" and cheap) and pork (cheap and the "true" traditional meat) and the trends for venison or game are picking up only slowly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.30.165.247 (talk) 08:23, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

"Religious issues" section

I removed the following section. The claims are broad and none of them are sourced. It seems at the least unhelpful to make such specific and sweeping statements about religious practices without reliable sourcing. ~Tsavage (talk) 23:20, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Religious issues

Deer is a kosher animal according to Jewish religious law and a halal animal according to Muslim religious law. Deer hunting is prohibited by Orthodox Judaism, as deer must be slaughtered, deveined, and salted according to the principles of kashrut. Venison is occasionally found at upscale kosher restaurants, but it is generally not sold at kosher grocery stores. Deer hunting is allowed in Islam, provided that a Muslim deer hunter says the name of Allah when shooting the deer. However, young deer who cannot run away are considered haram according to Sharia law.