Talk:Venetian Republic (2014)
 | This article was nominated for deletion on 14 April 2014 (UTC). The result of the discussion was merge to Venetian independence referendum, 2014. |
I proposed this article "Venetian Republic (2014)" for the deletion because an unrecognized state can't be declared after an online survey and an informal declaration by a group of people because if those were criteria to create an unrecognized state we would have more than new 50 countries today. Moreover, the sources used don't consider it as an unrecognized state.--Ghepa90 (talk) 07:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
- Strong Support for changing name. Besides the problems pointed our above, it seems that many votes came from abroad, people voted twice, and so on. See here about that. The central point, however, is that in order for a self-proclaimed geopolitical entity to be considered a state, this entity must satisfy certain criteria (see about that Self-declared states): and this is clearly NOT the case here. On the other side, what happened is IMHO surely notable, so one could keep the article with another (not misleading) name, like "Web Referendum for Venetian Independence (2014)". Alex2006 (talk) 09:07, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
- Comment In editing this article I took the same position I did when the article for the Republic of Crimea was prematurely created with the article stating it was an "unrecognized state" before any official referendum occurred. (Crimea's March 11 declaration that caused that article to be created was more of a pre-declaration statement of their intention to declare independence in the event of a referendum than an actual declaration). My proposal then was to have the article state instead that it was a "proposed state" rather than an "unrecognized state". I think the same can be applied here. No official referendum has been held therefore you cannot say this is an unrecognized state. If this article is to exist, it should state that the Venetian Republic is a proposed state. "Unrecognized state" doesn't make sense as something to add to the article until an official referendum is held and a majority vote establishes an independent republic. Since both the referendum and this declaration was done by "activists" and not the regional government then I would agree that the legitimacy of this article is in serious question (which is different from the Crimea situation). So I don't really think this article needs to exist but my edits were simply to improve the article while it exists. --Stan2525 (talk) 14:20, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks Stan! The problem, as you say, is that this referendum has been held by a private organization, and according to many fonts its regularity is strongly in doubt. The activists don`t control the territory, and no state in the world is recognizing the Venetian Republic. Nevertheless, the info in the article is surely notable: the Italian media wrote articles about the referendum, so it think that there is space for an article. Let`s wait for some other opinion. Alex2006 (talk) 16:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Support/Delete Hi. I support this deletion because it is not so easy to declare an unrecognized state. Unrecognized state means that the state is not recognized by some countries or by anybody, but de facto it exists (institutions, police, army, IDs...) and it is de facto independent. I study in Milan, but I am from Belluno and I can assure you that all Italian institutions are working there, so nothing has changed.--93.32.115.154 (talk) 17:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Support/Delete I support the deletion simply because the venetian republic doesn't exist. It is just a folkloristic indipendence made by a small group of people which want to challenge the government and delete all the tax. They don't have a real support by the population.
Oppose/Keep. I wouldn't have started the article yet, but the issue is notable and I don't see why and how it would be unencyclopedic. I see people talking about the referendum, but the article has little to do with it. I think we should keep this article: the Venetian Republic proclaimed by Plebiscito.eu might not be an unrecognized state, but it is surely a notable political organisation with a widespread structure. It needs an article anyway. --Checco (talk) 21:50, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Support/Delete. This article does not respect all Wikipedia criteria. It is neither an unrecognized country nor a declared country, because there are no institutions who have taken the control of the region or at least of large part of it. It seems just a political propaganda that must not be included in an encyclopaedia.--79.43.111.232 (talk) 10:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Please discuss on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Venetian_Republic_(2014). Alex2006 (talk) 07:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)