Talk:Vasco Núñez de Balboa/Archive 1

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Dates?

Date of his landing in Panama? Date of his reaching the Pacific? -- Jmabel | Talk 03:42, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

Pet dog?

"With his beloved pet dog" is a recent anonymous edit without attribution. I can't specifically say it is false, but without citation I am inclined to doubt it. If no one follows up on this, I'm inclined to delete it, as no great loss if true and a bad thing to have in the article if false. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:49, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

Delete it. If it's true it is mildly be interesting, but it needs to be documented. --Zenyu 00:45, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

Vasco Nunez de Balboa's dog played a crucial role in his battle field success. Balboa was at the head of his men into battle, the dog, sometimes referred to as a bull mastiff and sometimes as a wolfhound was essential his bodyguard, which may be why he never seemed to have been injured in battle. From "LIFE OF VASCO NUNEZ DE BALBOA"by Manuel Jose Quintana (1832) Oviedo describes the dog- "The dog was able to distinguish between warlike and peaceful Indians. "there he seek him. If the Indian remains quiet he took him by the sleeve or hand and lead him gently without biting or annoying, but if resisted he would tear them to pieces. Ten Christians escorted by this dog were more secure than twenty without him. He was a red color with a black nose, middle size, not handsomely formed but stout and powerful, exhibiting many wounds. Nothing equal has been seen in this region.--jfracal

From Kathleen Romali, 'Balboa of Darien' also attributes her knowledge of the dog to Oviedo. In Romali page 50-51 Romali calls the dog, Leoncico, "little lion" and she adds in reference to the stowaway episode, "Leoncico was also a desirable addition to the force; trained war dogs were hard to come by, and was not he the worthy son of Becerillo, Ponce de León's wonder dog. (Later, when Leoncico was drawing crossbowman's pay, no one questioned that he earned it several times over.)" She cites as her reference Oviedo BK XVI, chap 11. --jfracal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfracal (talk • contribs) 05:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I found a source for the dog, but I can't verify it. I thought I would put it out here if anyone had some extra time on their hands. http://www.enchantedlearning.com/explorers/page/b/balboa.shtml -Cyborg999 17:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

First to see the Pacific?

Was Balboa really the first European to see the Pacific Ocean, or was he only the first to see it from its eastern shores? It seems that Marco Polo, at least, saw the Pacific (see the map in that article). —Bkell 06:38, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

That's a good point. Probably it's a technicality, since the Pacific waterways that Marco Polo saw were not the Ocean proper, but rather tributaries of it, such as the Sea of Japan, the East China Sea, the South China Sea, the Andaman Sea, the Bay of Bengal, etc. --Techgeist 04:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Not only Marco Polo.

Were Afonso de Albuquerque and Ferdinand Magellan(still in Portuguese service) in the Conquest of Malacca(Maylasia) in 1511 (in 1509, first recognize by Lopes de Sequeira and May 1511 AD the final conquest),

and the Captains António de Abreu(as captain of that expedition), Francisco Serrão, Francisco Rodrigues among others(Serrão cousin(?) and friend of Magellan) send by Viceroy Albuquerque from Malacca in discovery of Bali, Flores etc., Timor, Banda Islands(deep in Pacific) and Mollucas(southeast of Phillipines) in 1512, also on Ambon, Seram - (on north Australia waters) and Moluccas.

Albuquerque also send the First Portuguese Squadron that touch Chinese shores(Perlas River) in the region of Today Hong Kong and Macau in May 1513 with Jorge Alvares as Captain of the Fleet and Rui de Brito. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.113.171.67 (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk related to translation

Merging histories?

Can we have an admin merge the history of this temporary page with the article we are merging this translated article into, so we can preserve the history of the Wikipedians who contributed to the translation process? — J3ff 05:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I definitely think that should happen. After all, it's a collective effort! Schoeler 05:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Mainland

"the first European to found a permanent settlement on the American mainland." Changed it to "the first European to found a permanent settlement on the new continent's mainland." to avoid confusion: "the American mainland" could be understood as "the continental USA". Schoeler 15:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Changed it to "the mainland of the Americas". It wasn't really a new continent - it had been there for millions of years and people had been there for millenia. Nurg 05:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Featured article

This article is featured in Spanish. Should we try to get it featured in English? There will be some work to do, though. Rodney Boyd 15:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Their standards are lower. - Jmabel | Talk 15:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured that. But we could still give it a try after fixing it up. Rodney Boyd 18:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Semi-Protection requested

The amount of anon vandalism for this page is unusually high. I have requested Semi-protection. Please go to the Semi-protection request page if you object. NorCalHistory 01:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism alright

"Vasco Núñez de Balboa (1475–January 15, 1519) waz up Spanish explorer, governor, and conquistador."...i'm fixing it.

Rocky Balboa??? Please....

Rocky Balboa is a fictional character, right??? That is a joke entry, right??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.250.192 (talk) 01:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it was some passer-by's idea of a jape, and was very soon removed.--cjllw ʘ TALK 03:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Serial killer?

I do not believe that Vasco Núñez de Balboa was as appears in this atricle a serial killer who settled in Hispaniola in 1983.

"With his share of the earnings from this campaign, Balboa settled in Hispaniola in 1983, where he resided for several years as an accountant and serial killer. However, he was not successful in this enterprise and ended up in debt. Finally, he was forced to abandon life on the island."

Well spotted, it was some vandalism from a few days ago that wasn't caught. I've changed it back to the original; year 1502, past time planting and pig farming. Sounds much more pleasant to me! Maedin\^talk 08:13, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Balboa’s date of death

[1] says 12 January, as do [2], [3], and [4]

[5] says 21 January, as do [6], and [7].

I can't find any sources that say it was 15 January, apart from our own article. I'm assuming the correct date is either 12 or 21 January, and that a transposition of digits is responsible for the mix-up. Trouble is, I don't know which one of them is the right one. Anyone have any clues? -- JackofOz (talk) 22:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

From our external links:

• This and this both say the execution took place between 14 and 21 January
• This gives his dates as “1475-1519”, but later on says he was executed in public in the year 1517. Not much value there.

His article in Spanish Wikipedia says 15 January.

On the balance of probabilities, I’m leaning to the conclusion that the precise date isn’t known with certainty. -- JackofOz (talk) 13:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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