Talk:Van Tran Flat Bridge/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Grungaloo (talk · contribs) 02:20, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Etriusus, I'll start reviewing this shortly. I'll ping you when I'm done. grungaloo (talk) 02:20, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• The infobox lists the reopen year as 1984, but the text of the article says 1985.

 Done

• "The" when used with proper names - A few places throughout you capitalize "The" prior to a proper name (The Motts Flats Bridge, The Livingston Manor Covered Bridge Park). "The" should be lower case for these.

 Done, I think I got them all

• Location is mentioned in lead (Rockland, Sullivan Country), but not mentioned or cited in the rest of the article.

 Not done, mentioned in the History section

Yup - my bad.

• This age makes the Van Tran Flat Bridge the oldest covered bridge in Sullivan County - I would drop "age", there's no mention of "age" prior to this.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• but restoration began in 1984 - Consider also adding that it reopened in 1985, otherwise this implies it maybe never reopened.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• and leads to Livingston Manor Covered Bridge County Park. - "leads to" sounds odd since it implies this is the purpose of the bridge. You could just say "and is near". Also, IMO I think mentioned it's proximity to the homestead makes more sense for the lead than a park.

 Done

• 1 mile (1.6 km) outside of Livingston Manor. - Change to "Livingston Manor, New York", otherwise people likely won't know where that town is.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• This bridge, specifically, features a - Don't think you need "specifically", seems redundant.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• The total weight capacity is 5 tons 10,000 pounds (4,500 kg) - 5 US tons is 10,000 lbs, so one needs to be removed.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• the clear width is 11 feet (3.4 m), the out-to-out width is 16.5 feet - For general readers add a gloss/explanation of what these different widths mean.

 Done, added footnote

• The sides are made of wood, have an opening under their eaves, and at each end of the bridge, there are 4 buttresses spanning the height of the bridge - I think you can drop the last comma since it's part of the same clause that follows from "and at each end".

 Done

• The two opening to the bridge - "openings"?

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Two accounts from 1952 and 1974 claim the bridge is 98 feet (30 m) in length[2][5] and 43 feet (13 m) across.[2] - I think you're ok to drop refs 2 and 5 from the mid-sentence and put 5 on the end since these citing the whole statement together.

 Done

• Associated Locations section - Locations should be lower case MOS:AT.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• was first constructed in 1860 by John Davidson to cross the Willowemoc Creek located on Covered Bridge Road - Minor rewrite might be needed, the way this is written sounds like Willomec Creek is "on" the Covered Bridge Road which doesn't really make sense. Are you trying to say that the bridge itself is on Covered Bridge Road, and also that it crosses the creek? Might just need to reorder this.

 Done

• 5 years before the Beaverkill Covered Bridge, also built by John Davidson; thus making - Semicolon should be a comma, it's a dependent clause of the first part, not and independent clause.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• damaged by a loaded truck when it veered off the bridge into the Willowemoc Creek. - Second time Willowemoc creek is linked in the section, drop this one.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Repair of the bridge involved $437.75 worth of materials and $174.80 in labor; with 8 workers being responsible for the repairs - Semicolon should be a comma.

 Done

• Furthermore, the original queenpost truss was removed, additional laminated arches were added for support and to increase the total load limit. - This sentence sounds a bit off, I think it needs an "and" before "additional laminated arches", and then you can probably drop the "and" before "to increase the total load".

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Etriusus, my review is finished. No issues with sources, copyvio, or images, just some minor prose things to correct. Let me know if you have any questions. grungaloo (talk) 16:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I'm just a random editor here, but I went ahead and already implemented some of these GAR suggestions, as noted above, so hopefully this'll facilitate the process and make it easier for the nominator. Good luck on getting this to GA btw and feel free to correct/amend my changes! -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Grungaloo:, that should be everything. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 05:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Awesome, looks great! Congrats on another GA! grungaloo (talk) 17:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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