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Valley Center History Museum was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 14 June 2016 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Valley Center, California. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Community and culture

On "richer folks" and their "homes"

I suggest folks is too informal and biased to be used in this way. The bias comes from the fact that the word folks suggests that they are nice, friendly people. They may well be just that, but the word has a definite spin that should be avoided. It should be "families" or "people". "Newcomers" or "homeowners" might work equally well.

I suggest also that the word homes should not be used, in favor of houses. A home is what the realtor sells you. The building you live in is called a house.68.111.193.193 (talk) 03:33, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help. I've taken your suggestion. These are the sorts of edits you should be able to make directly in the article.—Stepheng3 (talk) 04:22, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Valley Center Days

So there's apparently a small-town tempest in a teapot over the name of the festival. Why on Earth Wikipedia has ended up as the battleground to fight this out, I don't know. But there are two references ([1] and [2]) which discuss the name change from Valley Center Western Days to Valley Center Days, with specific quotes from a festival organizer saying that it was changed in an inclusivity effort (Western has a negative connotation with Native Americans due to long-running negative film stereotypes). Those two sources don't appear to be directly contradicted by another reliable source saying that the name hasn't changed. Given that the organizers of an event get to choose what they call it...

There also appear to be significant conflict of interest issues with two editors on opposing sides of this spat making a WP:BATTLEGROUND here. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 19:23, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I !vote to remove all mention of Valley Center Days/Western Days/whatever from the article, given the thin sourcing and relative non-notability of the event. Lots of towns have local festivals and we certainly don't need to host a lengthy discussion of a small-town spat and make the article into a permanent battleground between two sides of this issue. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 09:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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In the "Community character and culture" section, it states, "Valley Center is known for its "Western Days Parade" and annual Fourth of July fireworks display in the community park..." but the event name is now "Valley Center Days" (see section: Valley Center Days). Vchero (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vchero (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In my view the entire sentence in the Community character and culture section: A close knit community, Valley Center is known for its "Western Days Parade" and annual Fourth of July fireworks display in the community park. should be removed. It is entirely redundant to the dedicated section Valley Center Days and gives those events undue weight. The town would only be "known" for those two events if people flocked from all over California to see them. Memorial Day parades and 4th of July fireworks happen in just about every town in America. Not only that, there is no independent source whatsoever for it being a close knit community. That is simply boosterism, and I might add, the shenanigans between the opposing factions on the parade issue that got this article locked for a month, demonstrate quite the opposite. Voceditenore (talk) 16:17, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No other comments on this, so I have removed per Voceditenore's suggestion — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:40, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copied here from Valley Center History Museum in preparation for merge per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valley Center History Museum

The Valley Center History Museum is a history museum in Valley Center, California located on Cole Grade Road in the Valley Center Library complex. The museum displays historical photographs and artifacts from Valley Center and the surrounding area. It is a registered charity and staffed entirely by volunteers

The museum was founded in 2003 by the Valley Center Historical Society. In 2015, it expanded by 50 percent, adding a extra wing to accommodate a historic stagecoach which was built in 1848 and served as a Civil war ambulance, provided local transportation, and was featured in a number of Western motion pictures. Its other centerpiece exhibit is a taxidermy mount of a now-extinct California Grizzly Bear. Other exhibits include memorabilia and photographs from famous people who have lived or spent time in the area such as John Wayne, Fred Astaire, Steve Reeves, Randolph Scott, June Allyson and Dick Powell.^[1]^[2]

References

^ Jones, Harry J. (30 July 2015). "Valley Center history museum closes". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 7 June 2016.
^ Jones, Harry J. (2 December 2015). "Valley Center history museum to reopen". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 7 June 2016.

== Jytdog (talk) 17:59, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add to the Community character and culture section, the following, per the AfD result above:

The town has a museum that was founded in 2003 that includes a stagecoach built in 1848, a stuffed California Grizzly Bear that was shot in town in 1866, and memorabilia and photographs from famous people who have lived or spent time in the area such as John Wayne, Fred Astaire, Steve Reeves, Randolph Scott, June Allyson and Dick Powell; around 30,000 people visit the museum each year.

The town has a museum that was founded in 2003 that includes a stagecoach built in 1848, a stuffed California Grizzly Bear, and memorabilia and photographs from famous people who have lived or spent time in the area such as John Wayne, Fred Astaire, Steve Reeves, Randolph Scott, June Allyson and Dick Powell; around 30,000 people visit the museum each year. ^[1]^[2]

References

^ Jones, Harry J. (30 July 2015). "Valley Center history museum closes". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 7 June 2016.
^ Jones, Harry J. (2 December 2015). "Valley Center history museum to reopen". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 7 June 2016.

-- Jytdog (talk) 18:08, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jytdog, you need to amend that. The stuffed bear in the museum isn't the one that was shot in 1866. Your first reference actually states:

In 1866, a grizzly weighing 2,200 pounds — the largest of its kind ever recorded — that had been threatening both man and cattle, was killed in Valley Center. California grizzlies have been extinct since 1924, but at one time thousands roamed the state. The bear on exhibit is a bit smaller, standing 8 feet and weighing about 1,200 pounds when it was alive.

Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:44, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nice catch, my bad. Thanks! Fixed. Jytdog (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Added — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:42, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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In the second line of Valley Center, California#Notable people (the line regarding JJ Cale), please replace the link to After Midnight (song) with After Midnight (JJ Cale song) to disambiguate the link. Thanks! Steel1943 (talk) 18:18, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:34, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

edit Sorry to bother you. I thought the "Valley Center Days" section, which would be more adequately titled "Memorial Weekend Events" due to the several different events going on during that weekend, could be better expanded, but I did not want to make the edit myself. I did some research to make sure everything was correct, excuse me if it is cited too heavily: Vchero (talk) 08:43, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Memorial Weekend Events

On Memorial Day weekend, the town celebrates their western heritage and fallen veterans with the Valley Center Stampede Rodeo Festival ^[1] and an annual parade.

Though the Stampede Rodeo began as a separate event from the parade and festival, in 2015, it combined with the then-called Western Days Festival, becoming the Stampede Rodeo and Festival. The Stampede has no affiliation with the parade, though they occur over the same weekend. The Stampede Rodeo and Festival is coordinated by the Valley Center Optimist Club^[2], and all proceeds go back to the youth of the Valley Center community through club donations and scholarships^[3]. Valley Center Western Days Parade is coordinated by Western Days, Inc. as of 2017.^[4]

The festival began as the Valley Center County Fair (1950), then became Western Week (1963), Western Days Country Festival (1966), Country Fair (1967), Western Days (1968), and Valley Center Western Days (1980). The Western Days Parade was added in 1970.^[5] In 2002, the rodeo began as bulls and barrels, but added more events and became the Valley Center Stampede Rodeo the next year.^[6] Since then, the Stampede Rodeo has been a separate entity from the parade and festival, until the festival became part of the Stampede in 2015.

The parade began in 1970 as the Western Days Parade, but in 2016, it was rebranded "Valley Center Days"^[7] to be more inclusive because the word "Western" had negative connotations for some local Native Americal tribes^[8]^[9], however the Valley Center Stampede Rodeo and Festival continued separately, as usual.^[10] In 2017, Valley Center Western Days, Inc. produced the parade^[11], and the Valley Center Stampede Rodeo celebrated its 16th year^[12]^[13].

Egg producing llamas?

Egg producing llamas? Either there is some punctuation missing or omelettes will never be the same again. 51.9.83.49 (talk) 19:47, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Jones, Harry J. (30 July 2015). "Valley Center history museum closes". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 7 June 2016.

[2] Jones, Harry J. (2 December 2015). "Valley Center history museum to reopen". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 7 June 2016.

[3] Jones, Harry J. (30 July 2015). "Valley Center history museum closes". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 7 June 2016.

[4] Jones, Harry J. (2 December 2015). "Valley Center history museum to reopen". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 7 June 2016.

[5] VC’s Annual Western Heritage Celebration Unifies as “Valley Center Stampede”

[6] Valley Center Stampede Rodeo and Festival

[7] About Valley Center Stampede

[8] Western Days nonprofit to produce 2017 parade

[9] VC’s Annual Western Heritage Celebration Unifies as “Valley Center Stampede”

[10] The Rincon Band of Luiseno Indians Shares History with the Valley Center Stampede Rodeo

[11] Valley Center Days Parade

[12] Western Days is out, Valley Center Days is in: Bill Trok Announces New Name for Festival

[13] Valley Center Parade Co-Chair, Participants Re-Brand Community Event

[14] Valley Center Rodeo and Festival 2016

[15] VC Western Days Non-Profit to Produce 2017 Western Days Parade

[16] Stampede Rodeo a Success - Right out of the Chute!

[17] 16th Annual Stampede Rodeo

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