Talk:Vallahades

Category:Eastern Romance people

I don't understand the reason for one of the recent categories - Category:Eastern Romance people? Could it be the proximity between the names "Vallahades" and "Vlahs"?--Males (talk) 15:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a leftover mistake from an earlier version of the article. I see it's been removed now. --macrakis (talk) 01:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Patriyotlar

The Patriyotlar in Turkey are ethnic Macedonians (Greeks) of Bektashi Order. The Greeks gave them the name Vallahades, They once called themselves Foutsides.., they converted to Islam during the time of the Ottoman empire, once lived in the Sanjak of Serfiğe. Because of their pro-Turkish attitude, at the Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922), this Group of Vallahades were called Patriyotlar (Vatanseverler), sometimes called as "Rumyöz". At the Population exchange between Greece and Turkey in 1923, they moved to Turkey and settled in Edirne, Lüleburgaz, Çorlu and Büyükçekmece in East Thrace and Samsun and Manisa in Anatolia.. The first Generation only speak Greek and not Turkish, yet there descendants only speak Turkish.

References

• Nasliç, Serfice ve Grebene Yöresi Bektaşileri, Patriyotlar – Refik ENGİN
• Bir balkan rengi, Patriyotların öyküsü – Hulusi ÜSTÜN
• Patriyotlar Kimlerdir – Yazgülü ALDOĞAN
• Patriyot Mübadiller – Mete ESİN

References

@Nalanidil: What is the issue exactly? I already told you in my edit summaries, that the content above, is for the most part, already included in the article and cited by reliable sources. Also, i don't know why you keep adding the same general references everywhere. They are simply copy/pasted from an unreliable source; i wasn't even able to locate them online, nor verify the content they are meant to support in the relevant article. Also, YouTube videos are not ideal sources for a number of reasons. The only acceptable source from the above, is the one from the Austrian Academy of Sciences (www.oeaw.ac.at), and this was retained in the article; specifically it was placed under the "Name" section. Demetrios1993 (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

The point is that nothing is mentioned in this article, where the descendants of the Vallahades / Patriyotlar live in Turkey, and they are not known everywhere as Vallahades. IT IS NOT THEIR SELF-DESIGNATION.

They call themselves Patriyotlar.

The Turkish sources that I have given are not accepted by you and others. Nalanidil (talk) 23:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nalanidil: I already told you that the History and culture section mentions where Vallahades resettled after the 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey. Specifically, it says:

Consequently, pressure from the local military, the press, and the incoming Greek Orthodox refugees from Asia Minor and northeastern Anatolia meant the Vallahades were not exempted from the Population exchange between Greece and Turkey of 1922–23.

The Vallahades were resettled in western Asia Minor, in such towns as Kumburgaz, Büyükçekmece, and Çatalca, Kırklareli, Şarköy, Urla or in villages like Honaz near Denizli. Many Vallahades still continue to speak the Greek language, which they call Romeïka and have become completely assimilated into the Turkish Muslim mainstream as Turks.

Though, even that needs some cleanup from what i see. For example, Kırklareli, Şarköy, and Urla, are not mentioned in the cited source; while Kumburgaz, Büyükçekmece, and Çatalca, aren't part of Asia Minor, but of East Thrace.

If you have a reliable source, and would like to expand that paragraph with more details, that's fine; but, you cannot be adding original research or content from unreliable sources such as www.trakyagezi.com (which i removed, again). A better source is required. Fortunately, Edirne, Lüleburgaz, Çorlu, Büyükçekmece (it was already mentioned), Samsun, and Manisa – that you added – are also mentioned in Çınar (2017) which i cited on 28 December; thus, i reused it, and included the aforementioned settlements at the appropriate sentence under the "History and culture" section. Demetrios1993 (talk) 00:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand why the source that I have given is not acceptable? Nalanidil (talk) 13:29, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

This was written to you by another editor as well (diff), not just me. In short, this is a travel guide website whose content is user-generated (see WP:USERGENERATED), without any editorial oversight. Furthermore, this is a republishing of an article (page 1, page 2) written by Mustafa Gültekin (labour economist, not an academic historian), which was originally published by Arcadia Ajans (an advertising company; see WP:SPONSORED) on December 2015. Please, take some time to familiarize yourself with what is considered a reliable source. Demetrios1993 (talk) 11:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Aman breee @Demetrios, I am not a descendant of the Vallahades, but a Person with a part romani ancestry of east thrace ... now you will of course despise me, that i dare to criticize you...

but

Anyway, I don't care anymore about this article, write what you want. Nalanidil (talk) 13:28, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nalanidil: Why would i despise you? I don't care about your background; i am just trying to follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Even though my time is limited, i do reply and try to help you understand the issues. Demetrios1993 (talk) 05:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)