Talk:Val Verde (fictional country)

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Bandolero!

Val Verde was city in western "Bandolero!" 1968 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.160.159.127 (talk) 10:18, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Origin

A now removed mention on the Commando entry suggested it first appeared in the draft to Commando 2 which seemed odd but is possible. Anyone able to source this? (Emperor 14:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Removed Predator. As a loation is never actually mentioned anywhere in the film nor script, this is just based on assumption. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.81.225 (talk) 12:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the "Bandolero!" should be removed as Val Verde TX does exisit. Although there is no article here on Wiki Val Verde Disambguse does speek to there being a real Val Berde TX they are probably ref'ing that. --68.111.79.211 (talk) 03:41, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lede

The lede of the article seems to be entirely wrong, as proven by the text in the rest of the article. It currently says:

Val Verde is a fictional country or city used by Hollywood filmmakers (mostly 20th Century Fox) when they require a South/Central American locale without getting into legal or diplomatic disputes.

But actually, it's used by Steven de Souza in whatever he writes—Fox films, non-Fox films, TV shows, comics. It's also occasionally used by people referencing his work, like the Broforce game. It's not used generically by Fox or any other movie studios.

So, I'm going to edit the first sentence. --50.0.192.101 (talk) 07:22, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the rest of the article, it needed some reorganization—e.g., Broforce doesn't need to be both an appearance and a legacy. So, I'm editing more than just the first sentence. --50.0.192.101 (talk) 07:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not wrong, the text says "mostly 20th Century Fox" - that doesn't exclude its use by others. Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's used in two films that were distributed but not produced by 20th Century Fox, one ABC TV show, one syndicated Canadian TV show, and one comic book. That's not "Hollywood filmmakers (mostly 20th Century Fox)". It's just as true, and just as relevant, that it's used mostly in works with a "d" in the title. The fact that something is technically true doesn't make it suitable for a lede. The implication of the original version was that Val Verde is a shared creation that Fox insists on for studio pictures, when that's nowhere near the reality.

In fact, even my edited version still contains an unsourced assumption that the reason for using Val Verde instead of, say, Nicaragua is to avoid legal or diplomatic problems for the studio. That could be true, but as far as I know, neither de Souza nor anyone else has said so. For all I know, he invented Val Verde to give more room for dramatic license, so nobody could nitpick, "There's no highway from the coast to Managua that goes through a jungle like that". --50.0.192.101 (talk) 09:43, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

keep

"The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline"? Primary sources should be enough to justify saying Val Verde appears in This Movie, That Video Game, and Some Comic Book, and if the Easter egg appears in so many otherwise unrelated stories, one might imagine audiences thinking it's the name of a real place (even if they know it's a work of fiction) and coming to Wikipedia wanting to learn more about it. If the topic is not verifiably notable on its own, what about adding fictitious appearances (maybe in their own section) to Val Verde (disambiguation) based on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#Items appearing within other articles?

--173.67.42.107 (talk) 22:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]