Talk:Penny Black VR official

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2007 posts

The above searches yield a single result of this book: A catalogue of British, colonial, & foreign postage stamps, by a collector. For the avoidance of doubt, this is a trivial mention. The web site of the catalog mentioned in the article gives no results. However, even if the VR official is mentioned in 2 catalogs, that would almost certainly be insufficient for WP:N, which requires multiple non-trivial mentions. Addhoc 14:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, I have the *physical printed catalog* sitting eight feet away from me, and have personally confirmed that the content in this article is a good representation of the full page of material that is in the catalog. Why should I care what lame crud you can or cannot find online? Show me a policy that says only online material is accepted as references. In any case, WP:N is just a guideline, meaning that when an expert philatelist says you don't know what you're talking about, you accept his word for it. (Funny, on the mailing list, we were just discussing the spreading misuse of WP:N - now I have my personal anecdate.) Stan 03:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Ww2censor for including another reference. Addhoc 13:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have just read WP:N and unfortunately it does leave itself open to misuse as it is impossible to define an acceptable reference, especially in a specialist field like philately. Even so, I have seen this particular user engaging in this sort of activity elsewhere on the site and receiving a similar response. I could understand his position if the article had no references listed because then he could justifiably place a tag there, but to try and disqualify a source he knows nothing about is frankly timewasting. --GeorgeWilliams 10:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]