Talk:Utpala dynasty

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Utpals are jatts,still living in kashmir as uppal jatts,utpals were jats not chamars

Utpal dynasty were of jats,99% ot the utpal/uppals are jats,no such surname is found amongst chamars 42.105.105.222 (talk) 07:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Utpalas were not jats, there is no evidence and utpala was not a surname, the rulers of utpalas use "Varman" as their tittle. Yash1110 (talk) 09:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My recent revert

[1], from here onwards the narrative that this particular dynasty belongs to a particular caste was pushed by a user. Hence, i reverted it to last best version. The revert has removed some useful content too, which i am restoring.-Admantine123 (talk) 08:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But why??? historical records said that this dynasty belongs to a particular caste so whats wrong in that? Maheyyash (talk) 18:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply me dum Admantine when Origin and also These 2 books were accepted by the Ministry of culture Government of India. so why are you removing it???

U are a big Historian or what.

When the Government of India has accepted that the Utpala empire belonged to Chamars, then what is your problem? Maheyyash (talk) 14:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Origin

According to Kalhana in his book Rajatarangin(an12th century document recording by the Kashmiri historian Kalhana)'' Jayadevi, a combine of Lalitapida(king of Karkota and father of Cippatajayapida, also called Brhaspati) and her uncles, Fadma, Utpala, Kalyilna, Mamma, and Dharma were from non-Brahmin/Outcaste origin.^[1]

● Historian Abu'l Fazl in his book Ain-i-Akbari(an 16th-century detailed document recording the administration of the Mughal Empire under Emperor Akbar) clearly mention that the rulers of utpala dynasty were from Chamar caste.^[2]^[3]

^ Marc Aurel Stein (1900). Kalhana's Rajatarangini Vol 1.
^ Sarkar, Jadunath (1949). "Ain-i-akbari Of Abul Fazl I Allami Vol. 2 Ed. 2nd". Retrieved 9 July 2022.
^ "The Ain-i-Akbari Vol II". INDIAN CULTURE. Retrieved 2022-09-08.

Maheyyash (talk) 14:20, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources, you are using, are not reliable for such article as they are WP:Primary sources or just the translation of a primary source.-Admantine123 (talk) 17:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Marc Aurel Stein (1900). Kalhana's Rajatarangini Vol 1.

[:1-2] Sarkar, Jadunath (1949). "Ain-i-akbari Of Abul Fazl I Allami Vol. 2 Ed. 2nd". Retrieved 9 July 2022.

[:0-3] "The Ain-i-Akbari Vol II". INDIAN CULTURE. Retrieved 2022-09-08.

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