Talk:Uthmaniyya

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 02:36, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that the Uthmaniyya, or the partisans of the third Muslim caliph Uthman, killed his assassin Kinana ibn Bishr in the First Muslim Civil War that followed Uthman's assassination? Source: Madelung, Wilferd (1997). The Succession to Muhammad: A Study of the Early Caliphate. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 268. ISBN 0521646960.
  • ALT1: ... that the Muslim jurist and traditionist Ahmad ibn Hanbal at one point in his life belonged to the Uthmaniyya and condemned Ali's caliphate as divisive? Source: Crone, Patricia (2000). "ʿUt̲h̲māniyya". In Bearman, P. J.; Bianquis, Th.; Bosworth, C. E.; van Donzel, E. & Heinrichs, W. P. (eds.). The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition. Volume X: T–U. Leiden: E. J. Brill. ISBN 978-90-04-11211-7.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/India: The Modi Question

5x expanded by AhmadLX (talk). Self-nominated at 18:05, 29 January 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Uthmaniyya, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I don't think Alt1 is cited. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:26, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• GTG. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:26, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Gog, as always:) You mean Alt1 is not the article? "Baghdadi scholars like Ahmad ibn Hanbal declared Ali's reign as fitna (civil war).[4]" Although the part on his conversion to Sunnism comes in a later section. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 18:40, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

No, I mean I am an idiot. Alt1 is the hook. Thank you for picking that up. Corrected. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:29, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: I want to promote this hook, but am unsure what is meant by "ALT1 is the hook. Does this mean that ALT0 (the original hook at the very top) is *not* approved? Or simply that you prefer ALT1? Cielquiparle (talk) 14:59, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Cielquiparle, apologies, I should have been clearer. I consider ALT0 to be too long and too complicated, to the point that I don't consider it hooky, without having any objections to it beyond that subjective opinion. Or, in fine, yes, I prefer ALT1. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:06, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild and AhmadLX: Thanks for clarifying. Personally I like ALT0 better, but agree that it's too long, so might suggest cutting the last part, so it simply says:

• ... that the Uthmaniyya, or the partisans of the third Muslim caliph Uthman, killed his assassin Kinana ibn Bishr in the First Muslim Civil War?

Any objections? Cielquiparle (talk) 15:11, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Nope. That looks pretty hooky, and passes all the other bits it needs to. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't have any objections either. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 15:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)