Talk:Uruguayan tango

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Gardel born in Uruguay? Come on!!!

"Carlos Gardel, the giant icon of tango, was born in Tacuarembo, Uruguay in the town of Villa Eden."

This, to say the least, is a very much disputed "fact". Furthermore, I would add that the only people that maintains that Gardel was born in Uruguay are uruguayans. The rest of the world believes he was born in Toulouse, France. As to his national document stating that he was born in Tacuarembó, Uruguay, most scholars maintain that it was a forgery made by Gardel to avoid military service. Besides, I think this article should be merged in tango. Nazroon 04:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I removed of the article the reference to Carlos Gardel, Wikipedia cannot affirm that he was uruguayan (or frenchman), it wasn't fitting. --Daniel dj87 (talk) 18:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

"Uruguayan tango is another name for Argentine Tango"

Are you kidding me? Our style has been way different from the argentine style for over a century now, you just can't say such a thing about two very different kids of tango. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.64.97.101 (talk) 10:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I reafirm it. The sound is very different, the instrumentation also, uruguayan tango has more bass in it and is more relied on strings. String quartet is a common arrange in uruguayan tango and should include some uruguayan guitarrón, a six stringed bass guitar that's typical to Uruguay.

Uruguayan tangos

There were a lot of tangos added with no reference on their origin. It took me a long while to gather this:

Comfirmed

• La Cumparsita - Gerardo Matos Rodríguez (URG)
• Garufa[1] - Juan Antonio Collazo (URG[2]), Víctor Soliño (URG[3]) & Roberto Fontaina (URG[4])
• Felicia[5] - Enrique Saborido(URG)
• Milonga para una Niña[6] Alfredo Zitarrosa (URG)
• Niño Bien[7] - Juan Antonio Collazo (URG[8]), Víctor Soliño (URG[9]) & Roberto Fontaina (URG[10])
• Berretines de Grandeza LUIS EDUARDO CASARAVILLA SIENRA (URG[11])
• En Blanco y Negro[12] - Néstor Feria (URG[13]),

Fernán Silva Valdés (URG[14])

• Mocosita[15] - Gerardo Matos Rodríguez (URG), Víctor Soliño (ESP/URG[16])
• Mama yo Quiero un Novio[17] - Juan Antonio Collazo (URG[18]) & Roberto Fontaina (URG[19])
• Adiós mi Barrio[20] - Ramón Collazo (URG[21] & Víctor Soliño Víctor Soliño (URG[22])
• Hasta Siempre Amor[23] - Federico Silva (URG[24] & Donato Racciatti (URG[25])

Actually Argentine

• El Choclo[26] Ángel Villoldo (ARG[27] & Enrique Santos Discepolo(ARG)
• La Uruguayita Lucia[28] - Eduardo Pereyra (ARG[29] Daniel López Barreto (ARG[30])
• Tierra Hermana[31] - Guillermo Barbieri (ARG[32]) Eugenio Cárdenas (ARG[33])
• Arrabalera[34] - Sebastián Piana (ARG[35]), Cátulo Castillo (ARG[36])

Mixed

• Se Dice de Mí[37] Ivo Pelay (ARG)1, Francisco Canaro (URG[38]
• Sentimiento Gaucho[39] Rafael Canaro, Francisco Canaro (URG[40], Juan Andrés Caruso (ARG[41])
• Adiós Pampa Mía[42] - Francisco Canaro (URG[43], Mariano Mores (ARG[44], Ivo Pelay (ARG)
• Qué Falta que me Hacés[45] - Armando Pontier (ARG[46] & Miguel Caló (ARG[47], Federico Silva (URG[48] & Donato Racciatti (URG[49])

Unknown

• Montevideo

I will remove all the Argentine-only, and mixed tangos (since they are not Uruguayan only, but Rioplatense), as well as the tango Montevideo. Please give some references to it if you find them. Mariano(t/c) 20:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for doing all that investigative work! Binksternet (talk) 21:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually... to determine whether a tango belongs to Argentina or Uruguay, it's the music that counts. Only the music, not the lyrics. That's how it's always been. Take for example La Cumparsita: it's THE Uruguayan tango par excellence, yet the various lyrics (the are at least two different sets) were written in Argentina when this tango became famous there.

Everything by Canaro counts as an Uruguayan tango. "Se Dice de Mí" and "Sentimiento Gaucho" most certainly should be in the list. Not "Adiós Pampa Mía" because Mores (from Arg.) wrote half of the music. I think "Qué Falta que me Hacés" counts as Uruguayan too, but I'm not 100% sure.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.6.4 (talk • contribs)

Well, La cumparsita was first a instrumental composition which got the lyrics much later, and was used in several films as instrumental. I trully think that songs such as "Adiós Pampa mía" cannot be considered Uruguayan, or at least I wouldn't include them in a example list of Uruguayan tangos. "Se dice de mí" was popularized by Tita Merelo, but that wouldn't have happened without lyrics. Mariano(t/c) 07:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Canaro was not a musician representative of the Ururuguayan tango. None of his tangos have rhythms of Candomble, and in fact, is a representative of the Argentine tango. His songs should not be included, moreover, is not part of the Uruguayan tango musicians. Bajofondo, by the way, is representative of the nuevo tango. These lists also need a clean up.--201.255.146.117 (talk) 23:47, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Show me references about "uruguayan tango" before than 1905

If you show me references about "uruguayan tango" before than 1905, I won't remove this: "towards the beginnings of the 20th century at the same time as Argentine tango" (first apragraph of this article). Till this moment, all the references about Tango were in Argentina, there are muscial scores of tango written in Argentina before than the 20th century. What about this??? The Argentine Tango (the real tango, I'm almost sure) "borned" before than "uruguayan tango". If you want this article say the otherwise, look up references to verify that. --Edipo yocasta (talk) 09:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

You changed the first sentence into a garbled mess. I cannot understand the English. I changed it back. Binksternet (talk) 15:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)