Talk:Uruguay v Brazil (1950 FIFA World Cup)

No citations or sources or references at all

So I took the liberty to put the tag up. --Nissi Kim 16:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a citation for the brazilian fans committing suicide. Seems a little bit too fantastical to believe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.34.204.218 (talk • contribs) .

Citations:BBC, World Stadiums, Brazilian Embasy in UK. Mariano(t/c) 11:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

It wasn't the final match

As explained in the prologue, the match was part of the final group.--Nitsansh 15:39, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Nobody in Brazil uses the word "Maracanaço" referring to the tragic events of July 16 1950. The spanish word "Maracanazo" was coined by the Uruguayans and only used in spanish. For Brazilians the word sounds somehow 'schadenfreude'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.83.60 (talk • contribs)

I am brazilian and we do use very often the term "Maracanaço" when referring to this match. I am sure almost everyone who plays or is soccer fan knows it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.78.29 (talk) 02:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

FIFA's title for this match is "Final round - Group 6". http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=209/match=1190 --ClimbingLizard (talk) 01:31, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

That's actually FIFA's title for all the matches in the final group, not just this one (see here). – PeeJay 23:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

If the match itself has no title then what we are putting instead is a description of the game. A title/description of "Uruguay v Brazil" does not convey the fact that this was the deciding match. Why not use then the title 1950 FIFA World Cup Deciding Match? or a similar title that conveys the importance of this match? ClimbingLizard (talk) 03:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

If the game has no title, we should not give it a title. Instead, we should describe in the article prose the context of the match. The title that goes in the infobox should just reflect the title of the article itself. – PeeJay 08:44, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, the article itself states (very first sentence): "Uruguay v Brazil was the decisive match of the final group stage at the 1950 FIFA World Cup." so the infobox title (and article title also) should be "1950 FIFA World Cup Decisive Match" agreed? - ClimbingLizard (talk) 23:29, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

No, because that's not a title that's used in any sort of media that have covered the match. You need to stop this please. – PeeJay 18:50, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

"You need to stop this please." really? Is this how you approach disagreement? If you do not wish to collaborate on improving the articles then maybe you shouldn't be blocking other who do. ClimbingLizard (talk) 04:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm blocking improvements to the article. In fact, I see it as quite the opposite, since I believe your change would be detrimental to the article. – PeeJay 08:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Article is fine currently, if there is no specific name given to a match, then the "TEAM v TEAM (YYYY FIFA World Cup)" is used. The infobox is fine, seeing that the article title already gives context, along with the introduction. S.A. Julio (talk) 07:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Please explain

Can someone please explain the word, especially the exit or term or suggestive or subtilities or so. Is it like Netherlands-Germany, 1974? Must be.

I'm not sure what is it that you need explaining. The word has its root in the Stidum's name Maracaná, with the Spanish suffix -azo, meaning A hit with smthng or Great smthng. In this case it can referr to the commotion in the stadium, or the feat of the Uruguayan team in the stadium. Mariano(t/c) 07:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Change of title

I have change title to more English language-friendly version. Teams played each other three times in 1950 hence the World Cup in title. Djln--Djln 00:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Minor tweaks

I've made some edits, notably changing 'tie' to draw' or derivitive there of. 'Tie' in English can also mean any sports match in a tournament, e.g. a 'cup tie' etc. The word 'draw' as a description of a match with equal goals scored is more usually used, certainly outside the US. I have altered this to remove the ambiguity, and made some other minor edits. Badgerpatrol 04:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

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Title

I suggest the page moved to 1950 FIFA World Cup Final. (see: Category:FIFA World Cup Finals) Bennylin (talk) 11:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. This was not the final of a knockout tournament, but it was the deciding game of the final group stage. The current title is fine thanks. – PeeJay 12:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Yellow Uniforms?

It seems like Brazil hadn't begun wearing their yellow kits until 1954. 1950 they were in all white, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diego.cayetano (talk • contribs) 05:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Numbers

The 1950 world cup was the first time that the players' kit had numbers. While not fixed numbers, they were numbered from 1 to 11. This is missing on the players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.189.255.42 (talk) 21:38, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Uruguay wore blue shorts

Uruguay didn't use black shorts (not sure about the socks) until the 70'ies. They were dark blue, a bit darker than navy blue. 83.177.138.89 (talk) 16:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Before the last two matches

My edit needs someone to check it: my maths are better than my English (sorry for "discusion"), I hope. I haven´t found the rules in case of two or more teams ended the final round-robin group with equal points. But after have a look of the group-2 final table, the only one that have ended with teams (3) with equal points and due to the fact that the match between Uruguay and Spain have ended in a draw, I consider the final number of the goals or an extra match the only possibilities to rank properly both countries if Spain had won and Uruguay had lost their last matches.--Noventamilcientoveinticinco (talk) 16:37, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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Uruguay v Brazil (1950 FIFA World Cup) → 1950 FIFA World Cup Final – All other FIFA World Cup Finals follow the XXXX FIFA World Cup Final format - I can see no reason why this one should be different. The existing title doesn't even make it clear that it refers to the final - it could just as easily be referring to an earlier match in the tournament.Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:28, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

But it wasn't the final, it was the final match of the group stage which also decided the winner of the 1950 World Cup, similar to Liverpool 0–2 Arsenal (26 May 1989). And 1950 FIFA World Cup Final redirects here. Mentoz86 (talk) 06:42, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah - I'm sorry. I should have read the article more clearly. So the redirect is wrong - it ought to go to 1950 FIFA World Cup#Final Round rather than this match. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:56, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, even though I oppose a rename of this article, I still think the 1950 FIFA World Cup Final should redirect here, as I believe most people recognize this as the final. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:18, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is simply not a final. It just happened to be a decisive match. --86.40.98.103 (talk) 13:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose - This wasn't the final game (IIRC, it was the penultimate game), it merely decided who won the 1950 World Cup final round. – PeeJay 20:51, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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Numbers

By this torunament, teams would wear shirts with numbers on them. Players did not have permanent numbers, but they did have numbers from 1 to 11 on the field. So the players' names should have numbers next to them.

Source: See this picture of Rimet giving the captain of Uruguay, Varela, the cup after the final. Varela clearly has a number 5 on his shirt. http://www.ole.com.ar/mundial/Obdulio-Varela-recibe-Jules-Rimet_OLEIMA20100503_0140_6.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.237.96.8 (talk) 14:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

If you know what those numbers were, feel free to tell us. – PeeJay 20:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Brazil's uiform

Brazil wore an all-white with some blue stripes in neck and socks until this match. I've never seen or heard about green in their white uniform, so I'm not sure where the green in this article come from. Someone with better info should check this up. Ipsumesse (talk) 15:27, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Dubious claims of suicide

The only sources to back up claims of fans committing suicide are secondary sources from long after the fact, and they disagree on the details:

"[T]wo of the 175,000 crammed into Rio's Maracana stadium committed suicide by throwing themselves off a stand."

"Elsewhere in Rio, there were suicides."

"For instance, after the final whistle, a distressed fan committed suicide, and three others died from heart attacks."

In the absence of primary sources, I think these claims should be presumed spurious. Accordingly, I've removed them.HamartiaProsciuttoPharos (talk) 01:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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