Talk:Urtzi

This page was proposed for deletion by TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) on 25 August 2017 with the comment:
Doesn't seem to exist
It was contested by Fayenatic london (talk · contribs) on 2017-08-28 with the comment:
Not a hoax. Rewriting poorly-revised lede

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Warning

I see that the Encyclopedia mythica has been cited as a source. Several Scandinavians, User:Haukurth, User:Salleman, User:Io and myself have identified bogus information taken from that site on Norse mythology, and removed it from Wikipedia.--Wiglaf 19:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ortzi, Urtzi is one of the Basque words for "sky". I am not sure it had a mythical pre-Christian meaning. --Error 23:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that the lauburu is a symbol of the sky. --Error 01:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed?

Why on earth does it say that "The medieval pilgrim Aymericus Picaudus notes that the Basque word for the Christian God is Urcia" is a disputed claim? Just read Chapter VII, Book V of Codex Calixtinus:

"[...] Si illos comedere uideres, canibus edentibus uel porcis eos computares. Sique illos loqui audires, canum latrancium memorares. Barbara enim lingua penitus habentur. Deum uocant Urcia, Dei genitricem Andrea Maria, panem ogui, uinum ardum, carnem aragui, piscem araign, domum echea, dominum domus iaona, dominam andrea, ecclesiam elicera, presbiterum belaterra, quod interpretatur pulcra terra, tricticum gari, aquam uric, regem ereguia, sanctum Iacobum Iaona domne Iacue. [...]" [1]

Sure, French pilgrim Aymericus Picaudus wasn't precise objective when describing the Basques, but he did claim they called God Urcia, so the fact that he said that is not disputable. Uaxuctum 17:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I meant to mark as dubious the following text. Maybe Template:dubious changed since. Anyway, thanks for the reference. --Error 02:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've merged all the Urtzi relevant stuff onto the main page of the Basque mythology page under Basque_mythology#The_Urtzi_controversy. It's not a lot of material and sits quite well there and I thing we should mark the Urtzi page for deletion. Unless someone digs up a Roman library with a bio on Urtzi, we're unlikely to ever resolve the issue or find more evidence so it would always be a slightly sad stub. Would anyone object to that? Akerbeltz (talk) 08:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would delete just the Iberian part. The page can serve as an explanation of the name, linking to modern people named so. --Error (talk) 21:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I thought about that but is that a notable fact? You know, if someone names their kid Boudicca, does it matter? Akerbeltz (talk) 21:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have pages about person names, like Aitor, Vanessa (name), Arantxa. In this case, it makes sense to have the meaning and the disambiguation in the same page. --Error (talk) 20:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds to me like Christian are intentionally trying to kill Basque beliefs prior to Christianity. That's where records of legends about their gods went in the first place. Are you people so stupid that you can't tell when Christians are trying to erase people's history and culture for personal gain, even when it's obvious? You probably also think Christmas is about Jesus Christ instead of Saturn... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.160.218.45 (talk) 12:21, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No one is trying to kill anything. It's common of course for a new religion to try and eradicate the old religion(s) somehow and Urtzi may or may not have been the victim of that. The problem is that we cannot say for certain, looking at the evidence, that he was or wasn't. Think of it as a crime scene with too little information to say if a murder has or has not been committed. That doesn't mean to detectives are trying to hide a murder, it just means they can't tell either way until someone finds more evidence. Akerbeltz (talk) 13:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]