Talk:Upton, Merseyside/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: TLSuda (talk · contribs) 23:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

A good article is—

Well-written:

the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and
it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

Verifiable with no original research:

it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose); and
it contains no original research.

Broad in its coverage:

it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and
it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Initial Review

Please address any issues raised here before a full and in-depth review of the article is undertaken.

1a:
1b: There shouldn't be any references in the lead of the article. The lead should summarise content in the rest of the article - material in the lead should be referenced elsewhere.
2a:
2b: - Some of the sources do not appear to be reliable. Particularly, the references to timetables appear to be primary sources.
2c:
3a:
3b: - Perhaps goes into unnecessary detail in the Buses section. Additionally, the Upton, Merseyside#Leisure section may contain more information than necessary.
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6b:

--Adam Black ^{talk • contribs • uploads • logs} 11:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Adamblack93, thanks for the preliminary review. I'll get on with fulfilling the points which you've specified as time allows (probably within the next couple of weeks). Please advise as to whether or not the review needs to be put on hold while the points specified are brought up to standard.EP111 (talk) 15:26, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Point 1b has been fixed. EP111 (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Point 2b has been fixed, primary source timetable references removed. Point 3b Buses section has had unnecessary detail removed. EP111 (talk) 19:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Point 3b has been fixed as much as possible. I've removed the minutiae of detail, whilst maintaining the main points. EP111 (talk) 13:55, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Adamblack93: @EP111: what is the status of this GA review? TLSuda (talk) 18:29, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TLSuda: Thanks for the movement on this. I'm not sure what the status is, as this is the first time I've nominated something for GA. However, I've done everything I can in the request to bring the article up to GA standard on the questioned points listed above. EP111 (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to take over the review if necessary (I can take it next weekish) if Adamblack93 is done with it. I'd like to give them a chance to respond first. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Adamblack93:, I see you don't edit much, and if you haven't responded in a further 2 days (7 days from initial ping), I will take this GAR over to finish. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 15:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@EP111:; @TLSuda: - sorry, I haven't had an internet connection recently. As it's now been 7 days, I've assumed you took over the GA review. I've tried to help, though, making some edits I felt were necessary. I apologise for not being able to give this my attention. --Adam Black ^{talk • contribs • uploads • logs} 23:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TLSuda: @Adamblack93: That's OK. I'd be happy if TLSuda could continue the review at the earliest opportunity, as it's been more than four months since I've nominated the article. EP111 (talk) 18:35, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re-review

I only have a few concerns. See below.

The first sentence of the lead is extremely long and run-on. Split it up into two sentences.
There are no sources for the last two paragraphs of the Early modern section.
There is a "citation needed" tag in the article, which is basically a quick-fail for GA review.
Most of the "Services" section is unsourced.
Most of the "Schools" section is unsourced.
All of the images captions need to be more descriptive.
There is not a single source in the "Notable people" section.

Normally most of these issues are enough to quickfail the GA review. It still needs some major work. I'll give you another week if you want to try to clean it up. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 01:09, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TLSuda: You may consider the article as either an immediate fail, or on indefinite hold. I'm unlikely to get around to fixing those points within the week. Thanks for your review. Regards, EP111 (talk) 16:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@EP111: Checking to see if you have any desire to address the review. If not, I will close this. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 01:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)}}[reply]

@TLSuda: I'm busy with other pages at the moment, so you may close the review. I'll get back to fixing the points at a later date, when I'm ready to focus on it. Thanks, once again, for your time reviewing the article. EP111 (talk) 01:25, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, at this time the article does not meet the standards of being a Good Article and this review has failed. TLSuda (talk) 01:32, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]