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This article was nominated for merging with Crystal Palace, London on August 2020. The result of the discussion was not to merge.

Upper Norwood and Crystal Palace

Stating Upper Norwood is Crystal Palace is a mistake. Crystal Palace, London describes an area around the site of The Crystal Palace. Part of this area included a part of Upper Norwood. The Crystal Palace was officially in the Anerley Ward. This has now been renamed the Crystal Palace Ward. If you want to see a map then goto [1] Enter bromley in find box, click on Local Authority then click on GO. The "Bromley Lond Boro" will apear. Click on Go. A pop -up map will apear. Turn off Overview Map, click on the Ward Layer. Then enter the postcode SE19 2TF. You may have to zoom out, but will see the different wards and their names.--Kelmorn 23:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Upper Norwood, London, England → Upper Norwood – No need for longer name, consistency with South Norwood and West Norwood and other London districts

Support I have had to follow this course as the usual method is blocked. Reasons as per nom. Mtiedemann 11:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. — sjorford (talk) 20:40, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

East London Line

Ihave remove the East London Line references from Gipsy Hill again as this is not part of the project - see [2]. Regan123 13:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable People

According to the Wikipedia entry in Raymond Chandler, the novelist lived in Upper Norwood for some tim after the turn of the 20th Century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.171.151 (talk) 16:08, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people

According to the Wikipedia entry on Raymond Chandler, the creator of the Philip Marlowe novels lived in Upper Norwood for some time after the turn of the 20th Century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.171.151 (talk) 16:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was not to merge. Although there is overlap between Upper Norwood and Crystal Palace, the nominator acknowledged that Upper Norwood might have different boundaries. Consensus was not determined to perform the merge. Z1720 (talk) 21:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t see why Upper Norwood has its own article when the intro itself declares the area to be at synonymous with (the far better known) Crystal Palace. Yes it’s the older, more ‘proper’ name, but it’s one that was long ago superseded by CP - few people outside the immediate area would know what UN refers to. I would suggest just merging the content here into the CP page and adding something there about the two names, as with similar situations elsewhere e.g. Southwark/Borough.WisDom-UK (talk) 22:58, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose- The areas are not synonymous. The lead is misleading and the article goes on to say "The most easterly district of Upper Norwood is now also known as Crystal Palace". Upper Norwood is a larger area of which the vicinity which became known as Crystal Palace, after the move of the exhibition is a relatively small part. In fact it was more likely to be known as Sydenham up until then. Upper Norwood is part of the London Borough of Croydon whereas the Crystal Palace Triangle (the three main streets) and CP Park fall mainly within LB Bromley. In fact ~~five~~ four London Boroughs converge at the junction of Anerley HIll, Westow Hill, Crystal Palace Parade and Church Road with a fifth close by. The London A-Z shows Upper Norwood as an area to the west of Crystal Palace and with a post code of SE19. It encompasses roads etc. some distance from Crystal Palace itself; for instance St Joseph's College, Upper Norwood which is ~~at least 2 miles~~ about 1.5 miles (even 'as the crow flies') from Crystal Palace. It would not consider itself as Crystal Palace and is closer to West Norwood or Streatham. Eagleash (talk) 21:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm yes you have a good point. I may have a look the two articles (+ Norwood New Town & Anerley) and edit accordingly at some point. Even acknowledging the vague boundaries of many London suburbs I'm finding a fair few of these articles are adopting an overly generous definition resulting in a lot of overlap and confusion.WisDom-UK (talk) 23:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

I do not think the merge proposal is likely to be successful per the above and there was an earlier thread on a similar topic which also did not result in a merge or move. Could an uninvolved editor please close the discussion (assuming they agree). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 05:43, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.