Talk:University of Toronto Libraries

A fact from University of Toronto Libraries appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 May 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the library system of the University of Toronto is the fourth-largest academic library in North America?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/May.

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Fourth Largest?

In this part of the citation, it says that this library is "ranked in the top five amongst research libraries in North America." The University of Illinois claims to be the third largest in North America and doesn't mention either Berkeley or Toronto like this article does. It uses these ARL stats as a reference. (I can't find anything on their site that is more recent than 2007-2008). Toronto claims ten million volumes while Illinois claims eleven million. Are the ARL stats out of date? Are we counting other things? If so, shouldn't we use a source like the ARL? If not, then how is something like this resolved? By looking at university websites? How would we resolve conflicting claims?

Interesting notes:

According to the ARL stats, Toronto is bigger than Berkeley.
Check this out, read the first sentence. The citation puts them at four.

--Antigrandiose (talk) 05:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ARL statistics are updated annually, so obviously the rank orders do change from year to year. All three articles (Berkeley, Toronto, Illinois) cite the exact same ARL report for 2007-08 (which was published in 2009). In that year, Illinois was 3rd, Toronto 4th and Berkeley 5th. In the year before (2006-07), it was Berkeley 3rd, Toronto 4th and Illinois 5th. I don't see any conflict here. Practically speaking, all three libraries are basically the same size so it's not really surprising that they switch ranks from one year to the next. Jphillips23 (talk) 23:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As of 2008, Toronto is the fourth-largest in North America. Berkeley's article states that it is the fourth-largest in the United States. Both statements are correct of course, since Toronto is in North America but not in the United States. Jphillips23 (talk) 23:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The point of the second bullet was not in reference to Toronto or the US/North America, but rather to point out that the first sentence states that Berkeley is the "third largest academic library in the United States" but lists three libraries that are bigger. Sorry for any confusion and/or ambiguity. --Antigrandiose (talk) 00:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Publishing program

We need a section about their journals, books, monographs publishing program. Thaks. Fgnievinski (talk) 18:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]