Talk:United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics

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Fencing; Alen Hazdic; SafeSport

In fencing, is Alen Hazdic as of now not competing, because he was suspended temporarily by SafeSport from engaging in Olympic activity due to allegations against him by the U.S. Center for SafeSport?[1] If so, he should be taken off this list. --2603:7000:2143:8500:D01E:643B:DBD2:8300 (talk) 01:01, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Medalist

Sorting according to the first medal winner, and so on. Jr Tahun (talk) 12:47, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Alana Smith is nonbinary

US Skateboarding athlete Alana Smith is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. They are not a woman. They are competing on the women's team. I edited the "competitors" chart to reflect this by placing a note. Twice this edit got reverted. I am concerned that a chart without a note erases their gender. Alana Smith has been misgendered multiple times this Olympics as well as further context. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity we are supposed to respect a person's pronouns. We should have a note to indicate that they are nonbinary and are competing on the women's team. Thank you, -TenorTwelve (talk) 05:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Such a note is redundant. The table documents the number of athletes competing in women's events and the number of athletes competing in men's events. It does not document the chosen gender of athletes. Not only does the mos you linked not aplly here (as the table isn't about gender identity), but it isn't a part of MOS yet, so don't claim that it is.
SSSB (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

They are competing in the women's event, but they are not a woman. As an encyclopedia we are to give accurate information. Without a note, the chart is misleading. I don't want us to erase them into a convenient binary. They are nonbinary.-TenorTwelve (talk) 09:03, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

As much as I agree with you TenorTwelve that Alana's gender identity shouldn't be ignored, they competed in a women's event at these Olympics. Like SSSB said, the chart depicts the official Olympic results, and not any individual's identity. ~ Rdave97 (talk) 02:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

The chart is not misleading. Physically she is a women (which is why she competes in a women's event. How she identifies is not relevant to her Olympic participation and therefore not relevant to this page.
SSSB (talk) 08:51, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

If the chart is listing them as female, it is inaccurate and they are being misgendered. -TenorTwelve (talk) 10:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

It is not innacurate. Physically (which is the only definition the Olympics care about) she IS female.
SSSB (talk) 10:30, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

References

Team Sports Summary

Sports	Women	Men
Basketball
3x3 Basketball	Gold	—
Volleyball		10
Beach Volleyball	9 /	9 / 9
Football		—
Handball	—	—
Field Hockey	—	—
Water Polo
Rugby Sevens	6	6
Baseball - Softball		Silver

Team Sports Summary

Sports	Women	Men
Basketball
3x3 Basketball	Gold
Volleyball		10
Beach Volleyball	9 /	9 / 9
Football
Handball
Field Hockey
Water Polo
Rugby Sevens	6	6
Baseball - Softball		Silver

Overview Confusion

I saw that a couple people deleted the overview section, which I'm fine with. I'm just wondering why people think I wrote the section when I didn't? Rscala1 (talk) 02:21, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Rscala1: I didn't say you wrote it. But you re-added it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:37, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Neutrality

The prose in this article places undue emphasis on "bad" results, whilst failing to mention "good" results. Additionally, it contains a number of opinions that are unjusitfed and unsourced. It describes several silver and bronze medals as "only" which is an, WP:UNSOURCED, opinionated word to watch (basiclly having the opposite effect of MOS:PUFFERY). It is not the job of Wikipedia to determine which results are disappointing.
SSSB (talk) 10:52, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Since you pointed it out, I now see how some parts are problematic. The unsourced parts (some of which seem a bit like WP:OR) can absolutely be removed. Though, after that, should the solution be to include mentions of "good" results, or to remove some of the sourced parts of the "bad" results? No doubt, I think that in the days after the closing ceremony, there will be more news sources summarizing and reviewing the US results that could then be included which would be helpful. -boldblazer (talk) 09:25, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Should simply say what the results are without describing them as either "good" or "bad". Spanneraol (talk) 13:37, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Then by this 'rationale' should "slightly lower" (there is only one such reference in the article) change to "lower" ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.76.29 (talk) 22:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

@Spanneraol: I disagree, if we simply list the results, then there is no point in running prose at all. We should include if they are perceived as good or bad, both based on athlete's reaction and the media's, it just needs to be done neutraly.
SSSB (talk) 08:55, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Some bad results on it should be removed in order to maintain the quality of the neutrality of this article. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced medal tallies

Other pages, like China at the 2020 Summer Olympics, do not have medal tallies presented in each paragraph, even if they dominated the sport (weightlifting, table tennis). Not only are these tallies unsourced, but they constitute undue weight. 5.182.38.223 (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)