Talk:United Kingdom/Archive 39
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Liz Truss + Rishi
The two worst leaders in the nations history should be mentioned. Their reigns and stuff like Liz being the shortest reigning PM should be added. Framdon (talk) 18:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- There might be a case for Truss but it feels like WP:RECENTISM to me. I honestly don't think historians in a hundred+ years' time are going to be looking back at Trussian or Sunakian times as particularly remarkable in the same way we look back at Victorian or Tudor times. WaggersTALK 07:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Spooky, History of the United Kingdom ends with Sunak's appointment. CMD (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Of course it does, it's the most recent significant event in British history. That doesn't mean it should be mentioned in this article too. There's lots of information in History of the United Kingdom that isn't - and doesn't need to be - repeated here. WaggersTALK 07:40, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Spooky, History of the United Kingdom ends with Sunak's appointment. CMD (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- We all have our own opinions. Rishi sunak was the leader of the Conservative Party. and liz truss had the shortest time in history in Downing Street. But as @Waggers said it doesn’t need to be repeated here Mcflurry2212 (talk) 15:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Prime Ministers don't reign. GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
An Island Country?
The United Kingdom is referred to an “island country” on Wikipedia but if you ask people who live in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, they will disagree with this statement. 2604:3D08:1E7E:CAC0:7D3B:15C7:241E:2595 (talk) 16:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- This page simply calls it a 'country'. GoodDay (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if the IP is referring to the fact that the article is a member of Category:Island countries. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- The UK should be removed from that category, as well as the Republic of Ireland. Indeed only countries that cover only one island (rather than parts of an island), should be removed from that category. GoodDay (talk) 16:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Although our Island country article defines such countries as "a country whose primary territory consists of one or more islands or parts of islands" (unsourced), with the UK and Ireland listed. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think the UK fits in that category...although not Guernsey, Svalbard and load of others.Halbared (talk) 21:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Halbared No the reason why the United Kingdom doesn't count as an island nation is because the united kingdom is made of two big islands great britain and ireland (a tiny chunk of it) Depotadore (talk) 14:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think that would be a very narrow definition of "island nation" and not one most people would subscribe to. Trinidad and Tobago, for example, I think most people would agree is an island nation despite having two main islands. Same for the Bahamas and numerous other examples. WaggersTALK 13:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah but i'm saying the United Kingdom isn't a island nation because it's a nation with two islands Great Britain and Ireland (Island) which is split in the far north eastern corner with the Republic of Ireland Depotadore (talk) 15:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, the UK is made up of thousands of islands - as many as 6,000 I think. Sounds like a pretty island-y country to me. DeCausa (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah but i'm saying the United Kingdom isn't a island nation because it's a nation with two islands Great Britain and Ireland (Island) which is split in the far north eastern corner with the Republic of Ireland Depotadore (talk) 15:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think that would be a very narrow definition of "island nation" and not one most people would subscribe to. Trinidad and Tobago, for example, I think most people would agree is an island nation despite having two main islands. Same for the Bahamas and numerous other examples. WaggersTALK 13:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Halbared No the reason why the United Kingdom doesn't count as an island nation is because the united kingdom is made of two big islands great britain and ireland (a tiny chunk of it) Depotadore (talk) 14:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)The category definition says "This includes countries that consist of an island, an archipelago, or part of an island." Must be somewhat picky to say that it doesn't include "part of an archipelago"! DeCausa (talk) 21:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I think the common understanding is that if a country isn't an island country, the bulk of its territory is part of a mainland continental landmass instead. That's not true of the UK or Ireland, they are definitely island countries as far as the bulk of their territory is concerned. Somebody might want to mention Gibraltar being part of mainland Europe but I think it's fair to say overseas territories aren't considered in this sort of definition, and is why I've been careful to mention "the bulk of their territory" a few times. WaggersTALK 07:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- The United Kingdom is an island country located off the north coast of mainland Europe. Mcflurry2212 (talk) 15:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- "located" is superfluous. -- Alarics (talk) 20:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- The United Kingdom is an island country located off the north coast of mainland Europe. Mcflurry2212 (talk) 15:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I think the common understanding is that if a country isn't an island country, the bulk of its territory is part of a mainland continental landmass instead. That's not true of the UK or Ireland, they are definitely island countries as far as the bulk of their territory is concerned. Somebody might want to mention Gibraltar being part of mainland Europe but I think it's fair to say overseas territories aren't considered in this sort of definition, and is why I've been careful to mention "the bulk of their territory" a few times. WaggersTALK 07:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think the UK fits in that category...although not Guernsey, Svalbard and load of others.Halbared (talk) 21:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Although our Island country article defines such countries as "a country whose primary territory consists of one or more islands or parts of islands" (unsourced), with the UK and Ireland listed. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- The UK should be removed from that category, as well as the Republic of Ireland. Indeed only countries that cover only one island (rather than parts of an island), should be removed from that category. GoodDay (talk) 16:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if the IP is referring to the fact that the article is a member of Category:Island countries. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)