Talk:United Confederate Veterans Memorial

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the United Confederate Veterans Memorial article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1

Cemeteries Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cemeteries, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Cemeteries on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CemeteriesWikipedia:WikiProject CemeteriesTemplate:WikiProject CemeteriesCemeteries articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Sculpture

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sculpture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Sculpture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SculptureWikipedia:WikiProject SculptureTemplate:WikiProject Sculpturesculpture articles

United States: Washington / Seattle / 50,000 Challenge Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Washington (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by WikiProject Washington - Seattle (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article was created or improved during this WikiProject's 50,000 Challenge, which started on November 1, 2016, and is ongoing. You can help!

Visual arts: Public art

	Visual arts portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Visual arts, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of visual arts on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Visual artsWikipedia:WikiProject Visual artsTemplate:WikiProject Visual artsvisual arts articles
	This article is supported by the public art task force.

Private property vs public property

This article needs to make clear to the reader that Lake View Cemetery is private property, and the memorials there are private property. The memorials listed at Removal of Confederate monuments and memorials particularly those related to the post-Charlottesville protests, are overwhelmingly concerned with public property. The opinions of the general public, or of politicians or government officials, carry no weight as far as the disposition of private property such as this cemetery memorial. No public money is at issue, and the First Amendment prohibits any interference as to the design and messages in a private memorial.

The Make It Right Project has a quotation that says the monument is in a "publicly visible location and therefore should fall under current ordinances to remove offensive markings visible to the public." First, who are they quoting? Second, what ordinances? It's like saying a picture hanging on the wall of an art gallery might be seen by a passerby and therefore it has to be taken down because the contents are offensive to someone. Wikipedia shouldn't be arguing with our sources, but I do wonder how this is wouldn't be blatantly unconstitutional.

Most of those protesting Confederate memorials are making the argument that it's a misuse of public money and public land to display messages that glorify the enemies of the United States and contradict the basic values of our society, not to mention offend many citizens. Alt-right trolls have worked to conflate that with censoring private art. Even though Ed Murray and Reuven Carlyle have failed to spell out clearly that these Seattle monuments are private property, it's part of an encyclopedia's purpose to clarify the basic facts, and the difference between public and private property is about as basic as it gets. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:31, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article currently says, "acknowldeging that Lake View is private property outside the city's control". If you think more context/clarification is needed, please feel free to update the article appropriately. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]