Talk:Union Brewery (Iowa)

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Requested move 10 June 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Guan aco 09:28, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Union Brewery → Union Brewery (Iowa) – *Support - This site needs to be moved. There is at least one more brewery with the same name. There is a brewery in Slovenia also called Union- however that page appears not to be created yet. I am not to familar with the name conventions in this case since it concerns companies. Experienced users should know about it. Also a disambiguation needs to be done.--Joobo (talk) 18:43, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. If and when an article does exist about the brewery in Slovenia, then we can consider whether this page needs to be moved or not — but even then, it still won't be an automatic move, but will depend on whether or not one of the two can be shown to outstrip the other as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. But we disambiguate pages based on whether other topics with the same name have Wikipedia articles, not whether other topics with the same name merely exist somewhere in the world. Bearcat (talk) 19:55, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat: when did disambiguation guidelines change from "content" i.e. mentions in articles to "titles" i.e. having standalone articles? Was there a major RFC that isn't reflected in disambiguation and title guidelines? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:43, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DAB states that "Disambiguation is required whenever, for a given word or phrase on which a reader might search, there is more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead." It's been phrased that way since at least 2010, and even in the older history where it was phrased differently the key determinant was still that the other articles exist on Wikipedia and not just that other possible article topics exist in the world without having gotten Wikipedia articles yet. That said, it's a moot point now as the Slovenian brewery's article has actually been created — but the principle of disambiguation has always been based on how many Wikipedia articles were colliding in a potential naming conflict, and never just how many other topics of the same name existed out in the world without having Wikipedia articles to consider. Bearcat (talk) 13:25, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly right. Station1 (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I keep getting here when searching for slovenian one.Linhart (talk) 09:22, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per User:Bearcat. The parenthetical disambiguator is used to disambiguate topics from other articles at Wikipedia, not from everything else that might exist in the world. If other articles are created, then the issue can be considered. — AjaxSmack 16:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Now that this discussion has extorted creation of a new article, I no longer oppose a move. I agree with User:Station1 (below) that a DAB page is probably not needed per WP:TWODABS. — AjaxSmack 16:25, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ per Bearcat and AjaxSmack. Perhaps the nom is thinking of Pivovarna Union, which is a subsidiary of Lasko. If so, there is some minimal info at Laško Brewery that could be expanded and a hatnote to that article might not be out of place. Station1 (talk) 05:05, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Change to neutral now that a legitimate article has been created at Union Brewery (Slovenia). With only two articles, a move is not strictly necessary (I've added a hatnote to this article), but it seems likely that the Slovenian brewery is the primary topic. Station1 (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That's only formally. They merged when Heineken bought all slovenian beer. Union is the biggest producer in our country, they produce more than million hl of beer per year. https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivovarna_Union Linhart (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support nothing in books to suggest there is only one Union Brewery. Union Brewery (Dortmund) one of the main buildings on Dortmund's skyline WHICH HAS AN ARTICLE, Union Brewery (Illinois) ALSO HAS AN ARTICLE. The following are now redirects: Union Brewery (Nevada) the saloon frequented by Mark Twain, Union Brewery (Slovenia) primary topic in Eastern Europe, Union Brewery (Belgium) closed in 2007, ... so why wouldn't this be Union Brewery (Iowa) as primary topic in Iowa? there's no overwhelming topic in books for such a generic name. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:43, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC among other uses including Yakel House and Union Brewery, Dortmund U-Tower, and intentionally the newly created stub Union Brewery (Slovenia). Union Brewery should be a dab page including those uses.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"intentionally"? sounds like a criticism on Linhart for adding content to the encylopedia after the absence has been exposed in a RM. It should be pretty obvious from the size of the sl.wp article and the importance of the Slovenian brewery compared to the Iowa one that this is an edit that should be praised and thanked not sniped at. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's a typo for "potentially". It's "potential" in that it's too new to get a page view count, and without sources we can't tell how notable it is. The important thing, I'd think, is that the Iowa building is not the primary topic of the term.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.