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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 5, 2012.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that originally, "Unfaithful" was a dark and moody track, inspired from the works of American rock band Evanescence?
Current status: Good article
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Since I'm not as familiar with the copyright provisions for lyrics on Wikipedia (though Wikipedia:Lyrics does imply that full lyrics are not allowed under copyright law), does anyone else have any comments about the legality of including the entire song's lyrics into the body of the article? Thanks! // Windchaser 23:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics are not allowed unless the person has permission from the record company or the artist/band. Only small segments are allowed. Tcatron565 13:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't really much in the rest of the lyrics other than the structure and small highly speculative comparisons that I personally wouldn't even bother with argueing or discussing.

Similarity

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Is it just me or the segments of this song sounds very similar to Rob Thomas's Lonely_No_More? Kenimaru 09:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Compare the segment:

Unfaithful

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I don't wanna do this anymore

I don't wanna be the reason why

Everytime I walk out the door

I see him die a little more inside

I don't wanna hurt him anymore

I don't wanna take away his life

I don't wanna be...

A murderer

Lonely No More

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I don't wanna be lonely no more

I don't wanna have to pay for this

I don't want to know the lover at my door

Is just another heartache on my list


I don't wanna be angry no more

You know I could never stand for this

So when you tell me that you love me know for sure

I don't want to be lonely anymore

  • Don't get me wrong, both are good songs.
  • To be honest, when you highlight the resemblance it doesn't sound similar at all. But the first time I heard the song, I thought it was a Rob Thomas cover. So I, totally, agree. PoorLeno 22:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More similarity

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While we're on the topic of similarity, am I the only one who thinks the opening melody of "Unfaithful" sound strikingly similar to that of Madonna's "Papa Don't Preach"? :D

AU chart

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Its peaked at #8 on the Australian Digital Track Chart, before it's even had a physical release I think. Could someone please add that?

Homage

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"The song is also a homage to classic R&B songs." Is there any proof of this? Such as some indication of the songs this plays 'homage' to?

"Similarity" that is too broad

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This is ridiculous...a lot of songs use lyrics that say "I dont wanna" and the word "more". And who cares if it does use similar lyrics??? The song kicks ass for a ballad, and it has a really powerful message.

The songs also have a very similar rhythm, tone, flow, and general sound. Also I made the effort of not just highlight words that both songs contained, but if you listened to both songs, you can see that they are the same place in the song as well. The only reason I am even able to say "same place" is because the lyrics and flow of both songs manage to arrive at the chourus at a similar "point" in the song. The duration of the first and second verses for Unfaithful is :25 and the verses for Lonely No More is :24, the duration of the chorus for Unfaithful is :26 and the chorus for Lonely No More is :22, keep in mind Rihanna has that little pause at the end of the chorus for Unfaithful ;), also the prechorus for Unfaithful starts only 1 or 2 seconds before the chorus for Lonely No More, also while Unfaithful has a prechorus that lasts :12 in front of the first two choruses and only a verse lasting :26 in front the third chorus, Lonely No More has verses in front of the chourus every time, starts it's vocals four seconds later, and a much longe extro. The songs in their entirety differ only by four seconds. I am not trying to accuse Rihanna or anyone for that matter for stealing anyone elses music, nor I am trying to somehow protect Rob Thomas. The first time I heard Unfaithful I like the song as it was, but did notice that it seemed somehow familiar, after all, it wasn't the first song by her that had existing origins elsewhere. I am not a fan of Rob Thomas, I barely listen to his music, thruth be told this was the only reason I have. I am more of a fan of Rihanna if anything and I am not writing this to try and bash or demean her in anyway, after all, her record company gives her a song to do, and she does it, well. If anyone has anyway of contacting anyone affiliated wiuth either of there two artists or their record companies please do so I don't care how long a respone will take, as a person with a general interest in music I would want nothing more than to see this matter concluded and the arguement and speculation solved, either way, for good.

This song sucks ass. Some teenage star telling her "painful" relationship experiences. It really sucks ass. Painbearer 09:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Classifying Song as R&B

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There have been a couple edits and revisions that have given an R&B tag to this record. While it perhaps best falls under the realm of the so-called "pure pop" record, it did receive some R&B / Urban AC airplay. Therefore, I feel that leaving an R&B tag on this record, along with the existing Pop tag, is appropriate.

Comments?--InDeBiz1 (talk) 03:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This song has no urban influence at all. Charmed36 (talk) 03:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but you are wrong, plain and simple. If you don't hear the Urban/R&B influence in the chords and the beats, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Also, as I noted above, this record received charting airplay on the Rhythmic, Urban, and (I'm fairly certain) the Urban AC charts. Therefore, the R&B tag - along with the Pop tag - is appropriate.
Reviewing your talk page, it appears that you have been warned about changing genres on records before. Please, after I revert your edit here (as I already have on Shut Up and Drive), do not remove the R&B tags. If you do, I will bring the edits to the attention of Administrators.--InDeBiz1 (talk) 04:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can report to administrators too. I have once before. Charmed36 (talk) 20:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something is going hot in here. Cool guys. --Efe (talk) 00:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remixes

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I had linked a techno remix of this song, but the page was reverted. Many song pages mention alternate versions of songs, but what I linked was marked as unnecessary. Often, DJs or cover artists without Wikipedia pages are included in sections discussing the song in other media, and they are allowed to remain in the section. My link to DJ RB SaUCe's song merely allows readers to know about another interpretation of the song. As long as I mention that Flash is required, is it OK to replace the section?


Here's the link: http://www.reverbnation.com/djrbsauce

MariachiMello (talk) 04:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NO. DJ RB Sauce (which I assume is you, since you've added his name to tons of pages) is not notable according to WP:MUSIC. Just because something exists doesn't mean it should be on WP. Conical Johnson (talk) 03:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Unfaithful (song)

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Unfaithful (song)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "aCharts":

  • From Rude Boy (song): "Rihanna - Rude Boy - Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved May 3, 2010.
  • From Pussycat Dolls: "I Don't Need a Man chart positions". Acharts.us. Retrieved 2009-09-03.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 02:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Points

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The Background and release needs to be c/e. It reads like a fan and there are too many quotes. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 13:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments regarding Background and release

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I have finished a copy edit of the article.

  • The one thing that jumped out was the block quotation. A lot of it can be paraphrased into original prose. It is simply facts that you can write in your own words. And the "He is one of the sweetest, sweetest people I've ever met, ever worked with. He's an amazing songwriter." part has to go. I'm sorry. ;-)
  • Could you make it flow chronologically and in the order everything? It just reads like a story, and someone tells another story, when both happen at the same time. Could you fix that? Thanks. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The song was released to digital booklets via iTunes in Canada on June 20. 2006." - Booklets?
  • "he same CD single was also released in August 2006 in Germany and France respectively." - Was the single released on different dates in the countires? If not, then why "respectively"?
Done. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Great job on the article. I'll be happy to help where needed. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for commenting and c/e Penguin. If you see something that kills your eyes, be free to c/e ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Anytime. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:12, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jivesh boodhun (talk · contribs) 12:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

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Infobox

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Background and release

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  • by American singer and songwriter - already in lead
    Removed— Tomica (talk) 13:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • which Ne-Yo also wrote - remove also
    Removed— Tomica (talk) 13:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The song was produced by Stargate[4] and recorded at Battery and Avatar Studios in New York City, Loft Recording Studios in Bronxville and Digital Insight Recording Studios in Las Vegas.[5] The song was mixed by Phil Tan and Makeba Ridick provided vocal production.[5] - Close repetition of The song
  • The song was released as the second single from A Girl like Me, only after the US number-one single "SOS". The song was released to digital outlets in Canada on June 20. 2006.[6] - Again

Music and lyrics

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  • "we - "We
  • In another interview with NewsDay - for
  • Quentin B. Huff of PopMatters criticized the song's lyrics and described them as well-intentioned but "overboard with melodrama" and "devoid of remorse".[12] Regarding Rihanna's vocals in the song, Bill Lamb of About.com commented that they are not particularly strong and in places sound thin and reedy.[17] - Won't this fit in reception?

Reception and accolades

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Chart performance

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Music video

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Live performances

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  • I can't at that wig :P
  • where she won the award for Best R&B Act - Necessary?
  • I did some tweaks here and in he video section as well.
  • Consider reading this section and remove unnecessary details. The prose is in fact good but this section is over-detailed. We do not need to know about so many other songs. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Other sections look good. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12
15, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

References

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  • FN 16 Use cite news and publisher should be Cablevision
  • FN 17 Link The New York Times Company
  • FN 19 Unlink The New York Times Company
  • FN 21 Use cite web
  • FN 22 Link The Washington Post Company
  • FN 24 Link Buzz Media
  • FN 35. Jam! should not be in italics. The publisher is Sun Media
  • FN 69. Check for consistency
  • FN 71. Spot the error
  • FN 73 Link Penticton Herald
  • FN 75 You will now have to unlink Sun Media
  • FN 76 publisher is The Star Tribune Company
  • FN 84 Is the formatting correct?

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As it stands now

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Passing now. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments on the prose

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On the whole, this is a very well written contribution. I have made a few edits to the Lead, which can be changed if they are not helpful.

The first paragraph of the "Background and release", which I found confusing, needs a little more work. I found myself asking "different to what?" It starts by saying "she did not experiment with other types of music", but to understand this, the reader needs to know the genre of Rihanna's debut album. There is a stray quotation mark here to, which does not help, She began to listen to different types of music and said that she enjoys listening to Fall Out Boy and Gwen Stefani." I think the first sentence of this section needs to be completely rewritten.

I rewrote the first paragraph, because mp3.com reference was dead + I think its unreliable for FA. You can check in now and c/e it if there is need. — Tomica (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please forgive my stupidity but where does Switzerland fit in here and why the dash, ""Unfaithful" was certified gold by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) – Switzerland for shipping over 15,000 paid downloads in the country." Does it mean based in Switzerland? Do we need to say Switzerland at all? Or is there more than one IFPI?

There is IFPI for more countries including Switzerland.— Tomica (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the Music video section here, "Other scenes include Rihanna lying on the piano and dancing while the man is still playing it" - is it possible to be lying and dancing at the same time? It's a poor sentence and I think the "pianist" sounds more encyclopedic than "man". Similarly, I think "embracing" is a better than "cuddling with", but I haven't seen the video.

I copy-edited the sentence and added embracing. — Tomica (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In Live performances, this is trivia, "she wore a pink Dolce & Gabbana dress, gold earrings and Giuseppe Zanotti shoes." And, I suggest being careful with "raise awareness of the problems wrought by global warming global warming" because these are potential, still hypothetical problems. I suggest just writing "awareness of global warming".

Removed the trivia information and c/e. — Tomica (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Graham Colm (talk) 20:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Orane
  • Overall, it's very well-written, comprehensive and concise. I really like it.
  • My first issue is with the first couple of sentences. Maybe it's just a personal thing, but I prefer that you use the passive voice instead of the active voice. In the passive voice, the subject of the sentence is "acted on" by the verb etc. A simple example: "X is a song. Ne-yo and Stargate wrote the song" This uses the active voice, and it places emphasis on Ne-yo and Stargate, rather than the song. But the article, especially the first few lines of the intro is about the song, so wouldn't it sound better to say "X is a song. It was written by Ne-yo and Stargate". This keeps the emphasis on the song rather than the others, which, in my opinion, is more effective.
  • So, here's what you have:

"Unfaithful" is a song recorded by Barbadian recording artist Rihanna for her second studio album A Girl like Me (2006). American singer and songwriter Ne-Yo wrote "Unfaithful" in collaboration with its producers, Mikkel S. Eriksen and Tor Erik Hermansen, who produced the song under their stage name Stargate. Def Jam Recordings released the song, as the album's second single, to urban contemporary radio stations in the United States on June 29, 2006. "

  • But, how about

"Unfaithful" is a song recorded by Barbadian recording artist Rihanna for her second studio album A Girl like Me (2006). Written by American singer and songwriter Ne-Yo in collaboration with its producers, Mikkel S. Eriksen and Tor Erik Hermansen, the song was released as the album's second U.S. single by Def Jam Recordings on June 29, 2006.

  • Or something close to this. I'm just trying to say that the first few sentence sounded awkwardly when read aloud.
  • "Its production was helmed by Stargate.." I don't agree that "helmed" is the most appropriate word here. It suggests leadership, more specifically of a group, or a project. But they didn't lead the production (unless there were other producers involved). They were the producers. I've used the word "helmed" when I was writing the article for 21, and I wrote "production was helmed by Rick Rubin". But that was because there were other producers involved in the album, and he oversaw the album's musical direction (like an executive producer, for instance).
  • "Unfaithful" was released as the second single from A Girl like Me, only after the US number-one single "SOS". I don't think you need "only" in the sentence.

""*I removed it.— Tomica (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • "via iTunes in several countries worldwide including France"--"worldwide" isn't necessary. If its "several countries", it's implicit that its "worldwide".
  • "A CD single of the song was released in the United Kingdom on July 25, 2006.[10] It includes the album version of the "Unfaithful", its instrumental, Tony Moran's radio mix and the video for the song. The same CD single was released in August 2006 in Germany and France.[11][12]"
  • How about: "A CD single of the song, comprising its album and instrumental version, a Tony Moran's radio mix, and its music video, was released in the United Kingdom on July 25, 2006 and in August of that year in Germany and France.[11][12] Or something close to this. The "The same CD single..." is awkward.
  • What's a "slow feeling groove"? Care to rewrite?
  • "According to Brandee J. Tecson of MTV News, lyrically, "Unfaithful" is a "bittersweet ballad" that shows a new side to Rihanna." I can't put my finger on this one, but something is off. Lyrically, the song is really about her cheating, not about the song being a "bittersweet ballad". So, either remove "lyrically" from the sentence, or, if Tescon had suggested a summary of the song's theme, maybe you could keep "lyrically", but try to include something about its theme.
  • "..."We always put it out there that guys cheat, and finally someone put it in perspective: Girls cheat too." Was the capitalization of "girls" your doing, or is it lifted verbatim? you don't need capital letter after a colon, unless it's a proper noun (girls is not a proper noun btw).
  • ""Unfaithful" received mixed to positive reviews from music critics. Kelefa Sanneh from The New York Times described "Unfaithful" as "a profoundly ludicrous" Do you mind using a noun/pronoun for the second time "Unfaithful" is used? (i.e. The New York Times described it/the song as... ). It would sound less repetitive.
  • "Quentin B. Huff from PopMatters criticized the song's lyrics, and commented that, "'Unfaithful' is a well-intentioned ballad informed by dramatic piano and strings" Was there anything else that was said? This quote is really just a repeat of what was said about the song in the preceding section (PopMatters criticized it, it was well-intentioned ...)
  • "Bill Lamb of About.com stated that all Rihanna's songs are "all about projecting personality and reflecting the lives of young women and men in their late teens like herself"." I'll tell you right now, the Bill Lamb source will be challenged to death by Nikkimaria (I'm sure you know her lol). I don't necessarily agree with her, but if you use it, be prepared to defend it (about.com) as an authoritative source.
  • Watch for repetitive sentence structure in the critical reception section: "X from Slant Magazine said....", "Z from USA Today said....", "Y from New York Times said......" Don't just repeat what they said. You can also summarize the critical concensus about the song, using the reviewers as evidence. For example, "critics said the song was different from Rihanna's past work. This critic said this, and that. That critic also agreed that Rihanna sounds different, but also said this..." Just try to engage the sources and don't list them.
""The accompanying music video for "Unfaithful" was directed by American director Anthony Mandle". "Director" appears twice. It is ok to say "The accompanying music video for "Unfaithful" was directed by Anthony Mandle". Him being American is notable, but its omission wouldn't throw anyone off lol.
  • "Rihanna starts chanting the song's lyrics while" please don't say "chant". lol
  • No, she starts singing....

WP Comments

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Hey Tomica. Sorry that I'm late. I'll copy edit and list concerns as I go.

  • I've generally opposed to the wording "second international single". By "international", do you mean "released outside the United States"? That would be more accurate. However, if not, then the word "international" is redundant.
  • "there was some unfavorable criticism of the lyrics, which one reviewer said were "devoid of remorse"." - keep it general. Simply say "... while others criticized the lyrics." —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The song reached the top ten on the single charts of more than 15 countries, including Australia, Austria, Canada, France, Germany and Slovakia. It peaked at number two on the UK Singles Chart and became Rihanna's third top ten single there." - the list of countries is not necessary. Tighten to "The song reached the top ten on the singles charts of more than 15 countries, including the UK Singles Chart, on which it became Rihanna's third top ten single." —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments and the c/e Penguin. I think I resolved the given issues. Check them. Waiting for others. — Tomica (talk) 13:48, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not actually. I only found what is in the Background section. You think the information is pretty general? It's pretty hard that kind of information, because the song is from 2006 :S ! — Tomica (talk) 14:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

UK 2008 peak at #193

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http://www.zobbel.de/cluk/080216cluk.txt  — AARON • TALK 21:13, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Evanescence

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The band is not from Australia, but from Arkansas.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.86.46.144 (talk) 04:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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South Park

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It has been reverted because of no refs. I added a source here, though I'm still not sure if that section should be included in this page at all. If you think that it serves no purpose, feel free to revert. I won't oppose. BytEfLUSh | Talk! 06:46, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lot of cruft in this article.
The use in South Park is a trivial WP:IPC use. Take a song link "Happy Birthday to You" and imagine if we listed all of the TV shows, movies, plays and such that have used the song. The list would be quite lengthy, threatening to take ove the article. It would also be worthless. The only thing that makes this use different is that it is recent and a someone wants to add it. That Rihanna has fans and detractors editing Wikipedia and "Happy Birthday to You" doesn't should not create a disparity in coverage.
While we are at it, the cover version is similarly trivial failing WP:COVERSONG.
The "Live performances" needs a good bit of judicious trimming. Every time Paul McCartney tours, appears on SNL, does a charity appearance or whatever, there is a strong chance he's going to pull out "Hey Jude". If we listed all of those, well, see above. If we include just those that someone saw felt connected to and decided to add (as seems to be the case here), we would have an indiscriminate list of randomly selected performances (as seems to be the case here. - SummerPhDv2.0 16:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to agree with you there. I visited this article (and its history) to see if there's any mention of the South Park episode. The rv was about lack of sources (which surprised me - I though it would be about notability of the section). I added a source and restored the section but - as I said - I'm still not sure if it's worth mentioning. Feel free to revert, if you don't think that section belongs in the article. BytEfLUSh | Talk! 03:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, you're right. I reverted my rv - the mention of "Unfaithful" is probably more suited for the article about the episode. Thanks. BytEfLUSh | Talk! 05:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian Singles Chart peak at #1

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I came across the article for this song out of curiosity after editing the List of number-one singles of 2006 (Canada) article. However, this song was never listed as having reached #1 there as a physical single, only SOS. Unfortunately, now that canoe.ca is excluded from the Wayback Machine, it is currently impossible to verify if the source is true.

Could I get confirmation from @1111tomica that the source is true before adding it to the article listed above?

Marcohcanada (talk) 15:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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