Talk:Underwater sports at the 2013 Bolivarian Games

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Reliable Sources

Hi everyone, All of the citations that I put in the article during late November were removed on the basis of WP:SOURCE. The result was a net loss in citations in the return for what appears to be the benefit of being able to cite a big media company. I agree with the need to move away from citing the organisers’ website, particularly as it is probable that this website will be shut down in the near future. However, I disagree with the removal of citations to http://www.sportalsub.net (a Spanish language website concerned with underwater sports)which is probably the only reliable global source for the reporting of underwater sport news and competition results.^{[according to whom?]} The sportalsub.net reports are generally comprehensive and translate well from Spanish into English via Google Translator. Therefore, I have restored all of the citations sourced from http://www.sportalsub.net. Cowdy001 (talk) 22:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that you have not read WP:SOURCE. Wikipedia:Verifiability is a general policy, Verifiability, no original research and neutral point of view are Wikipedia's core content policies. I want to recall this sections:

Reliable sources (WP:SOURCE) Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
Sources that are usually not reliable (WP:NOTRELIABLE) Questionable sources are those that have a poor reputation for checking the facts, lack meaningful editorial oversight, or have an apparent conflict of interest. I want to recall as well this part of not reliable sources: Self-published sources (WP:BLOGS) that saying: Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs (as distinguished from newsblogs, above), Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources.

Those are part of the wikipedia core policies. sportalsub.net is a BLOG base on WordPress, and based on the policies cited above, not reliable source. I am removing back all those cited base on this site. I do not know what do you mean with "a net loss in citations". If you mean that after the removal of those citation were less citation than previously, then you are wrong because this citations were simply unreliable, meaning the article lacked from citation. We, here in Wikipedia, take very seriously the five pillars, we do not refer cites as "big media companies" or little ones, we refer to reliable or not. When you say "is probably the only reliable global source for the reporting of underwater sport news and competition results" you are expressing yourself exactly in the way Wikipedia do not work, weasel words. Osplace 13:32, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article looks well referenced now, according to Wikipedia:Third-party sources. Osplace 16:46, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]