Talk:Ultra-Humanite

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LGBT?

I dont think simply because he's transferred his brain to women means he's gay. the link should be removed

I'm not sure; I have no idea if a straight guy in a woman's body (or, to look at it a different way, a woman with a straight guy's brain) should be condidered a straight guy or a lesbian. Daibhid C 13:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's iffy. It's not that it makes him a lesbian, but possibly a transsexual. I'm leaving the category for now. — coel acan — 22:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is the sexuality of the character mentioned after the transference? Or is the woman's body simply treated like a vehicle, with the dialectical interaction between mind and body simply ignored?12.30.162.2 15:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The website at the end of that link clearly states the character, while in the body of the female actress he only transfered into because there was no one else around, informed a male character he still had the mind of a man and had no interest in a romantic relationship with another man. The fact that he also went into many nonhuman bodies, including a giant flying ant, indicates he isn't really thinking about sex... unless he was very kinky. No. Remember, this is not a real person, so they don't have the personality traits of a real person. They needed a simple villain, and that is all the character is, no detail personal history, or anything like that. He thus doesn't have to be realistic, since I doubt anyone would want to be in the body of an ant, even if it was a giant flying one. The link shows information not mentioned in this article yet, but probably should be added. The only reason for a link is to provide additional information about the article's subject, provided its accurate. It does that. So while I thought when I first saw the link, it was something that shouldn't be there, after clicking on it and reading the information, I changed my mind and decided there is nothing wrong with it. If the website was called something else, I don't think anyone would mention it at all. Dream Focus 22:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tense

The article has been edited for tense. If a second or third editor is satisfied with the readability, please remove the unsuitability marker. 12.30.162.2 15:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Public domain tag

The license for Image:Ultrahumanite1.jpg needs to be updated. It's claimed to be public domain; can anyone say why this is so, then a new tag can be applied? --Plangent 09:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removing WikiProject banner

If you feel the need to remove a WikiProject banner, [1] you might discuss it on the article's talk page first - or even bring it up at the WikiProject itself. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 07:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The original placement of the banner was dubious at best. This isn't a character whose gender identity differed from the body in which they were born; this is a supervillain whose brain was placed in the body of a woman for nefarious purposes. The very notion of including this under a LGBT banner makes a mockery of real life issues pertaining to transgender. --Plangent 08:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"A mockery"? Removing the LGBT project banner from "the first transsexual comic book character" would appear to be the mockery to me. But as I said - could we not discuss this on the article talk page or at the WikiProject? Making decisions for a project you aren't a member of, especially without consulting the editors involved, seems a bit rude. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it, the person who originally placed the tag was dubious about doing so. But if you or people from the project can guarantee me that some editors are going to want work on the article from the POV of how transgender issues are covered in comics (for example), then I will not remove the banner if it is replaced again. But to be honest, come the day that the seminal work on transgenderism in popular fiction is written, my feeling is that a character whose key defining attribute is transplanting his brain into different vessels in order to further his villainous schemes would only merit a brief mention. It's not seriously comparable with, say, Lord Fanny. Or even Princess Ozma, for that matter. --Plangent 15:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've requested input from the project's members. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject templates are meta-info, for the use of each particular Wikiproject, for the purpose of tracking articles that are of interest to the project's participants. It is inappropriate to unilaterally decide that this project should no longer be tracking this article. ··coela can 01:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The first transsexual comic book character"

While I have little doubt a source for this statement can be found, do we know this for certain? I'm thinking in terms of the way that the character has been stated to be the first supervillain in comics, despite the existence of earlier candidates for that title. --Plangent 02:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi?

When has the Ultra-humanite ever been a part of nazi's or friends with them? i've never even seen him say anything racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curefreak (talk • contribs) 03:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Add category "LGBT supervillains"

I think this article should be added to Category:LGBT supervillains. The Ultra-Humanite has chosen to inhabit female bodies many times throughout his history, and in his recent Power Girl appearance it was strongly implied (if not stated outright) that he wants to be a woman.--Beware the Unknown (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gerard Shugel

I don't think the Ultra-Humanite currently appearing in Power Girl is supposed to be the same character as Superman's foe from the Golden Age. This isn't just a case of their origins being mutually exclusive, but I believe that in a recent issue of Power Girl Satanna referred to a "depression-era" UH, implying that Gerard Shugel is a legacy character.

Can anyone back me up on this? Nebro Gnosis (talk)

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