Talk:Ulla Winblad/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kusma (talk · contribs) 12:07, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Will review this soon! —Kusma (talk) 12:07, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:21, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Content review

• Lead: Placeholder. Will comment later whether anything important is missing.

  It is short, but I don't have a great suggestion on anything that really needs to be added. Just one thing: wouldn't "Ulla Winblad is a semi-fictional character" work better?

  I have just changed that and will pass this now. —Kusma (talk) 12:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

• Context: "the life of the city" just to clarify, the life of the city in general or of Stockholm in particular?
  • Stockholm.

• A dual character: I am a bit surprised that we do not get a short overview of the fictional character (say, all the songs she occurs in and what she does there), but start right with interpretations by others.
  • That would be quite a list; not sure it'd be appropriate here, but we can surely rustle up something suitable.
    • It is a bit better now that we start with "real Ulla".
      • Added a list of appearances.
        • I had imagined a paragraph or two in prose saying what happens where, but this looks great as well. It certainly gives a lot of context.

• I also don't follow what is "dual" about the things mentioned here: do you mean the "at once romanticised and clearly sexual" in the later "The mythic Ulla" section?
  • Yes. Glossed.

• "on the rosiest mythological clouds" looks like a quote, from where?
  • Attributed.
    • Better. A little earlier, is the Afzelius who is cited (and who might like a gloss) Nils Afzelius?
      • Linked and glossed.

• similarly "at his most rococo"
  • Edited.

• Ulla and the real Maria Kristina Kiellström: Some crucial facts from that article seem to be missing here, like that her child with Schmidt died and that he abandoned her.
  • Added. Not sure they are needed for the story over here in any way.
    • That she no longer had a child seems pertinent.

• It begins with rococo "angels, dolphins, zephyrs and the whole might of Paphos (compare the illustration of Boucher's Birth of Venus) and musical flourishes on the horn ("Corno") and ends with Ulla as "my nymph" and the sentiment "May love come into our lives". the quote needs to end somewhere, and I'm not 100% sold on the way you direct the reader here. Wouldn't it be easier to move the Boucher painting into this section? You could just use one of the images clearly depicting Ulla as lead image.
  • Closed quote. Moved Boucher. Selected another image.

• into the beautiful rococo Epistle 28 I don't think you should say "beautiful" in wikivoice.
  • Removed; though it may make sense to restore and attribute it. Actually all the scholars agree on that much.

• Link to I går såg jag ditt barn, min Fröja, which seems to be Epistle 28.
  • Linked.

• Kiellström was still attractive enough to remarry at the age of 42 I would prefer not to have a causal connection between her attractiveness and her second marriage. Just say that she married a younger man and that she was still attractive, unless you know that he married her for her looks alone.
  • Done.

• The mythic Ulla: again, I do not understand the division between this section and the "A dual character" section.
  • Merged.

• Introduce Lars Lönnroth.
  • Glossed.

• Fredman can, he writes, be supposed to have spent the night with Ulla after an evening of celebration; now he sits on his horse outside her window and sings to her. "he" is first Lönnroth, then Fredman. Disentangle a bit.
  • Done.

• Ulla seems to have had quite a bit of 19th and 20th century reception, as evidenced by the images. Could you comment on that a bit?

  For example, we have her as a character in the 1925 film Två konungar, based on Ernst Didring's 1908 play of the same name. This character may or may not be an example for the confusion between Kiellström and Winblad.

• Thank you for adding more about later Ullas. I am intrigued that Carl Zuckmayer (who should be linked) was one of the writers interested in her. I know him mainly from The Captain of Köpenick (and from getting very drunk at his hometown Nackenheim's wine festival in my youth). The section can probably be fleshed out, but I think this now passes "broadness". —Kusma (talk) 13:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Linked.

Comments on GA criteria

• Neutral (if perhaps a bit admiring) and stable.
  • Noted.

• Not too much detail.
  • Noted.

• Broadness: there seems to be a later reception of the character that is only hinted at by the illustrations, but not mentioned in the text.

• Images look fine, although some of the source links do not work.
  • Noted.

• Captions: Not sure the Boucher should be the lead image, as mentioned above. For the "The steps on Skeppsbro" etching, could you give a citation for the claim that this is supposed to represent Ulla?
  • Moved Boucher. Cited Skeppsbro.

• Sources are reliable. Perhaps a bit much quoting, but not copyvio.
  • Noted.

• References layout could be a bit better. The "References" section is ok, but the "Bibliography" section is only roughly alphabetical, switches between "Firstname Lastname" and "Lastname, Firstname" format and would like more identifiers like ISBN for newer books (or for older, something like OCLC).
  • Applied last, first and sort alpha. Added OCLCs.

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Source checks

Looking at special:permanentlink/1169696685.

• 5: ok
• 10: could not access
• 13: The ISBN gives me the German edition? Text checks out
• 16: I haven't seen the snippet, but I believe this is on the page
• 21: fine

Source checks passed. —Kusma (talk) 10:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.