Talk:USS Silversides (SS-236)

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Retaliation??

"During this action, an enemy machine-gun bullet killed one of her deck gunners, TM3 Mike Harbin, the only man to perish on the top deck of a submarine during World War II. In retaliation, the submarine's gunners riddled the enemy until he spouted flames and sank."

The use of the word retaliation implies this casulaty prompted the American attack, but according to Trumbull the sub was allready attacking when Harbin was killed. Neither does he indicate that the american attack was more severe due to Harbin's death. I will remove the entire second sentence above unless anyone can offer a source to justify this wording.--john.james (talk) 00:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1973-2004 is a rant

This section should be re-written as soon as possible. 216.80.110.88 (talk) 17:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I've tagged it for sources and removed some of the worst writing. Still needs a complete re-write from reliable sources. Rees11 (talk) 17:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Muskegon, Michigan?

There are references to the current location of the boat as being Muskegon, Michigan. However, there is no article text relating to that move from Chicago, Illinois. When? Why? etc. It would improve the article to include some related information.--TGC55 (talk) 02:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can vouch for it being located in Muskegon, but more info with sources would be nice. See "1973-2004 is a rant" above. Rees11 (talk) 04:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. I slept overnight on it Muskegon. North8000 (talk) 13:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for cleaning up the issue as much as possible without more extensive sources. At least we know the boat is in Muskegon, Michigan instead of on permanent sub-surface patrol off of Navy Pier (i.e. sunk)--TGC55 (talk) 16:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There was still no text on it in Muskegon. I put a brief sentence in there and used the current museum site as a source. There really needs to be a section written on this. North8000 (talk) 13:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Only man to perish on the top deck of a submarine?

"During this action, an enemy machine-gun bullet killed one of her deck gunners, TM3 Mike Harbin, the only man to perish on the top deck of a submarine during World War II."

The idea that Mike Harbin was "the only man to perish on the top deck of a submarine during World War II" is simply not true if all submarines of the war, including German subs, are included. Many German uboat men were killed by Allied gunfire from ships and planes throughout the war. The statement also seems dubious even if applied to American subs only, since I know I remember instances of other submariners dying on deck, though I don't have sources at hand. Perhaps the phrase "the only man to perish on the top deck of a submarine during World War II" should simply be cut? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yankees98 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about Howard Gilmore? Or Fred Connaway of Sculpin, killed on the bridge by a shell from a destroyer? I think your edit makes sense. Rees11 (talk) 14:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced and POV-worded accusations

This has strong unsourced accusations written in a POV tone that really can't stay as-is in the article; for example:

"Furthermore, supplies vital to the preservation of the Silversides were rarely made available to volunteers. Additionally, the chairman, president and executive director expressed blatant contempt toward the will of the frontline volunteers and a disrespect of their talent and time. These volunteers were frequently taunted, harassed and physically threatened by members of the board of directors and operating staff, until the board decided a volunteer restoration crew no longer was needed in 1985. Management was unable to develop a long-term relationship with the city of Chicago and the boat was moved to Muskegon on 7 August 1987. As further proof, two pallets of unused Rust-Oleum paint moved along with the submarine (volunteers had bought their own) it was found that teak wood donated to replace the old deck had been stolen and sold by the management."

Rather than otherwise-inevitable deletion, could somebody just re-write those? North8000 (talk) 10:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC) Edited North8000 (talk) 13:35, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted potential BLP violations

I've just deleted some material that was both unsourced and contained what appeared to be BLP violations. I did this after a news search which turned up nothing to back these claims. Please don't restore any of it before discussion here about wording and the sources to be used. I did find a recent discussion of the new museum president.[1]. Dougweller (talk) 12:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Preserving a portion of deleted 1/12/21 additions

Additions were made on January 12th. They seemed credible. The first portion was factual type information, the second was a personal reflection. Then they were deleted for being unsourced. In case it is useful for the future, here is a copy of thew first portion:

She was moved to Navy Pier in 1976 in advance of the U. S. bicentennial celebrations. As her propellers were removed to comply with a War of 1812 Treaty she was towed. She was on display there during the celebration when Chicago hosted numerous 'Tall Ships' (sail) arrived

Also, the 1976 date conflicts with the 1979 date currently in the article, which is also unsourced.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Number of generators

According to a YouTube documentary on the Silversides, and narrated by a curator, she had six diesels. Toyokuni3 (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]