Talk:USS Liscome Bay/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 03:23, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:23, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• No DABs, external links OK
• Don't need to specify that the ship was American
• Suggest lead read: "... was one of X Casablanca-class escort carriers built for the United States Navy during World War II. Completed in 1943, she was assigned to the Pacific Fleet where the ship served as a flagship in the Battle of Tarawa (Operation Galvanic) in November. During this time her aircraft played a key role in the capture of Makin Island. The ship blew up after being torpedoed by a Japanese submarine, killing over half of her crew. Her loss..." with the appropriate links.
  • Remember that the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article, so not very specific. So no numbers, exact dates, etc.
  • If you're going to make superlative statements like "most" or "biggest", etc., in the lead they need to be cited. The only ship of her name isn't important enough to be included in the lead and is better placed in the main body. While you have an explanatory note for the deadliest sinking, you still need a cite to say where that info comes from.
  • Ships don't detonate, explosives do. Blew up, exploded, etc. could also work.
  • You always need to feed the reader enough info so that he knows if he wants to click on a link or not. Forex, I never can never keep the codenames for US operations in the Pacific strait in my head, so just giving me Operation Galvanic almost forces me to click on the link so I know what the hell you're talking about. Similarly, always give the type of ship (with a link for first use) when introducing a ship name, forex: the destroyer Farragut, etc.
• The infobox is also supposed to summarize the most important data for a ship. There have been complaints that ship infoboxes are too long so you really need to keep the details limited. Your main body is supposed to cover everything in the infobox so nothing there needs to be cited.
  • In this case the MCE hull number should only in the main body as part of the construction information. In the length field, put oa and wl in parentheses. In the installed power field, delete the pressure rating and use the Babcock & Wilcox boiler link for the rest of it. Similarly, save the cylinder count for the main body. For the armament, you need to abbreviate dual-purpose guns and drop the designers while telling the reader that they're AA guns
• I'm not a fan of service record infoboxes as they're generally redundant to the lead, but your choice. More later.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Sturmvogel 66:  Done on all points. Stikkyy t/c 02:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

• the most numerous type of aircraft carriers ever built This needs to be specifically cited since it's a superlative
• Add a note to explain what /38 means
  • Still needs to be done.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:04, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
• She had a 257 ft (78 m) long hangar deck, a 477 change the comma to "and"
• which provided a force of 9,000 horsepower (6,700 kW), driving two shafts awkward; the engines drive the shafts, not the horsepower
  • You need to mention the boilers which provided steam for the turbines--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:04, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
• assuming that she traveled at a constant replace all this with "at a"
• bow end delete "end"
• one on the fore, another on the aft replace with "one each fore and aft"
• the numbers of Bofors guns doesn't match between the infobox and description

• Right. If she survived to the end of the war, it would have matched, though. The Bofors were converted into twin mounts (for 16 in total) once it became clear that kamikazes would eventually become the biggest threat.

• True, but irrelevant to this particular article. Delete all this: By the end of the war, Casablanca-class carriers had been modified to carry thirty 20 mm (0.79 in) cannons, and the amount of Bofors 40 mm (1.6 in) guns had been doubled to sixteen, by putting them into twin mounts. These modifications were in response to increasing casualties due to kamikaze attacks. However, Liscome Bay was sunk before this would become apparent.

• Fair enough.

• provide conversions for the AA guns in inches
• , but she sometimes went over or under this number awkward--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:27, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

• @Sturmvogel 66: All addressed. Stikkyy t/c 04:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

• Link Bureau of Yards and Docks and give the name and rank of Mrs. Moreell's husband
• in what would become Liscome Bay's place
• Fix the colon after the date she was assigned her classification symbol
• she was acquired by the Navy and commissioned
• ordered in July 1942 to become a part of the Lend-Lease "as part"
• Link close air support, Operation Galvanic, sorties
• her task force, in the waters off the Gilbert Islands: you're using colons instead of the proper commas, but the rest of the clause to be deleted is redundant since you've already said that the carrier division would remain.
• More later.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
• caught Japanese command caught "the"
• Japanese Admiral Mineichi Koga we already know that he's Japanese from the previous sentence
• Corregidor, and Coral Sea
• Link magazine, Thanksgiving
• xt|announced, in a statement, that Liscome Bay had been sunk off of Makin "Island"
• ship's unique status
• Add to the lead something about her serving as a flagship with a link.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:48, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

@Stikkyy and Sturmvogel 66: How are we going with this review? AIRcorn (talk) 08:22, 1 December 2019 (UTC)