Talk:USCGC Lilac

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Picture Correction

I just want to make sure everyone is on the same page on this before I correct it. The picture of the wheelhouse is not of the correct ship. I believe this is of her predecessor. The picture of her under the statue of liberty is also not of her, Note the way the forecastle/fokeshold curves down. That was not how it was on Lilac but rather her sister ship arbutus I am aware the Coast Guard historians office clams these are of Lilac they are not. I am also unsure if Lilac was ever equipped with depth charges I am aware of the plans but I am yet to see other evidence in log books ETC. She would also have been too slow to out run a depth charge with a max speed of 11 knots so I believe these plans never come to fruition. 74.65.241.15 (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking at this. I can see what you're saying regarding the shape of the forecastle on the Statue of Liberty shot. I'm going to pull this picture and change the metadata on the photo to indicate the possible issue with the Historian's labeling. I have seen plenty of errors in what one might consider reliable sources, including other material from the Historian's office, so I appreciate the review. With regard to the wheelhouse photo, I would be interested in why you think this is the 1892 Lilac. Thanks!~~ Jordanroderick (talk) 23:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this is the incorrect bridge because a current photo of lilacs bridge show completely different dimensions that one is much too small. Also just an FYI I know the Coast Guard historians office says she was originally going to be named Azalea when she was at Hamptons Roads this is also incorrect because I have correspondence from the shipyard referring to her as Lilac. Let me know if you agree

photo of bridge: [1]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bridge_of_USCG_Lilac.jpg 74.65.241.15 (talk) 23:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I came to the same conclusion regarding Azalea. All of the contemporary newspaper accounts have the ship named Lilac from the start. That's why I chose to ignore the Historian's reference to Azalea when I wrote the article. With regard to the bridge photo, I have to say that you are more familiar with the ship than I am, and I don't have the same sense of dimensions that you do. I would like to be educated. What seems wrong to you? Also, it's not clear to me how this could be the bridge of the 1892 Lilac. It looks to me like the engine order telegraph is clearly meant for a twin-engine ship, and the earlier Lilac had just one engine. Perhaps this is from some third ship? I am excited that you have some correspondence from Hampton Roads. Are there any juicy details from that period we should add? Any photos? Finally, your familiarity with Lilac makes me wonder if you are connected with the Lilac Preservation Project. If you are, I think it would be great if we could add some better contemporary photos of the ship. I crew on another museum ship, Virginia V, so I have a sense about how important promoting these projects is. Thanks!~~ Jordanroderick (talk) 16:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to the bridge I think it may be the Fir upon closer inspection. The windows turn on much too sharp an angle to be Lilac's Bridge, the windows on her bridge curve more gently. The correspondence from Hampton Roads are with B&W about the boilers so nothing super juicy. I can say that I recently came across some more information regarding Lilac's time during WWII. Another modification made during that time was her portholes were welded over with metal plates. She also played a significant role in laying anti Submarine nets & boom. I was also wondering if you had come across her original contract. Also yes I do volunteer on Lilac and would be more than happy to take some photos. Maritimehistorian1 (talk) 20:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]