Talk:Tzova
Wrong name
[edit]The name of the settlement is Tzova with an O and a V, not with a U and a B. The article name is based on a common mispronunciation.--128.139.104.49 (talk) 16:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Broken history
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The nearby Tel Tzova was the site of an ancient town in the days of David[1] and perhaps of Saul.[2] The Septuagint at Joshua 15:59 gives a list of eleven towns in Judaea, which is missing in the Masoretic text.[3] One of them is given as Σωρης ("Sōrēs") in most manuscripts but as Εωβης ("Eobes") in the Codex Vaticanus.[4] This has led to the suggestion that the original was Σωβης ("Sōbēs"), and that Tsova can thus be dated back to the time of Joshua Bin-Nun, based on this verse in the Septuagint.[5]
The kibbutz's name is also similar to, and is related to that of the nearby and depopulated Palestinian village of Suba.
References
- ^ 2 Samuel 23:36
- ^ 1 Samuel 14:47, according to some authors. See R.P. Harper and D. Pringle (1988). "Belmont Castle: A Historical Notice and Preliminary Report of Excavations in 1986". Levant. doi:10.1179/lev.1988.20.1.101.
- ^ Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia footnote at this verse. See Joshua 15:59, which gives the Septuagint as well as other translations. The Septuagint has an extra list of 11 towns.
- ^ Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia footnote, showing that the Vaticanus has Ε instead of the similar-looking Σ, and has β instead of ρ.
- ^ R.P. Harper and D. Pringle (1988). "Belmont Castle: A Historical Notice and Preliminary Report of Excavations in 1986". Levant. doi:10.1179/lev.1988.20.1.101.
Starting with the image, what is shown is a ruined building from the Arab village of Suba that was depopulated in 1948. Any connection with ancient names comes via the Arabic name, not independently of it, since there is no other record of the name in the intervening centuries. The first sentence, about David, is unsourced (biblical citations don't count as sources) and Harper+Pringle call it "unfounded". If the only proper source calls it unfounded, we either shouldn't have it or we should note that it has been rejected. The phrase "Tsova can thus be dated" is worded misleadingly, as it suggests a continuity that doesn't exist or re-establishment that is based on wishful thinking. The last sentence is terrible; the name of the kibbutz comes from the Arabic name. Zerotalk 02:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)