Talk:Tyresö FF

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. There appears to be no argument that the women's team is not the more common subject. Discussion of a merge and/or creating a new article can continue below. The men's team will go to Tyresö FF (men) as proposed, with no predjudice against moving to a better disambiguation setup if one is identified. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:48, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tyresö FF (Ladies) → Tyresö FF
Tyresö FF → Tyresö FF (Men)

– From my point of view, this is a clear case of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME, where the women's team is one of the best in Europe, while the men's team is an amateur team far down in the Swedish football pyramid. Checking the pageviews for the last 90 days, tells me that the women's team had six times as many viewers as the men's team. Mentoz86 (talk) 01:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should there even be separate articles for each team? From the two articles it seems very much like they are simply two teams within the same club. Should the two articles not be merged and due prominence given to the women's team? Fenix down (talk) 06:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They have different schedules, different results, and different rosters... I'm not sure how a combined article would be more useful. Powers ^T 01:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Ladies move, support Men's move; instead create a new article about the soccer club at "Tyresö FF", while each gendered team has a subarticle. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: poor proposal, and the current situation is not good either. I'm inclined agree with Fenix down's proposal of only one article. "FF" stands for "Fotbollsförening", which means "football association" or "football club". The club obviously has both a men's team and a women's team. Are we referring to the teams or the club? HandsomeFella (talk) 20:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Additional comment: I am indifferent on whether the articles should be merged or not, but if not, the disambiguator should be "women's team" / "men's team", or possibly "women" / "men", i.e. in lower case. This would mean some kind of move either way. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

At present we have a huge mess of apparently random disambiguators, some capitalised/parenthesised and some not. AIK Fotboll Dam, Piteå IF ladies team (!?) Olympique Lyonnais (Ladies), VfL Wolfsburg (women). It would obviously be better to have some consistency across the board but it's a big clean-up job. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 08:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose page moves but support merge - they appear to be two parts of the same sports club, and one article on each will suffice. Giant Snowman 09:13, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

50% of women's clubs are same as men's club but have own article. -Koppapa (talk) 10:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where has that stat come from? Giant Snowman 09:49, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Memory. Just look for example [2013%E2%80%9314_UEFA_Women%27s_Champions_League]]. OR walk through all European Leagues. -Koppapa (talk) 10:34, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So you made it up? I'm not sure how it is in the rest of the world but in England, women's teams may have the same name as a male team but they are not part of any 'sports club', not owned by the same people - they are only affiliated. A great example is the Bristol women's team which has changed affiliation 2 times if I recall correctly. Giant Snowman 08:46, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I suggest you read my arguments here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Divine_time#Tyres.C3.B6_FF
Support - per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but would also accept merging a few sentences about the male team into the main article at Tyresö FF. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 08:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No other teams that I'm aware of use the awkward merge that people here are proposing. Red Slash 18:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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