Talk:Tyre Extinguishers

Links to Extinction Rebellion

When looking for sources I noticed many articles claiming in passing that Tyre Extinguishers has ties to or is a sub-group of Extinction Rebellion. However, I was unable to find a source proving this. Anybody know what the basis for this belief is, or if there's any credible proof for it?66.190.13.201 (talk) 21:23, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

The means to an end

To properly maintain an article of such controversy, editors need to remove their emotions from the subject matter. I would implore editors to set aside biases "for" or "against" the actions of this group and rely purely on statistics and observable evidence when constructing this article.

The fact is - until a bona fide study can prove this group's actions have legitimately and verifiably reduced carbon emissions from SUVs, as a result of their actions, then we cannot phrase the introduction or other parts of this article with the presumption they are acting to reduce the emissions.

At this stage, with the available evidence, they are acting to inform the public or perform a type of protest at most. We have no data to conclude much else has permeated from their actions, including the reduction of emissions or drop in SUV sales, for example. The assume otherwise, simply because of the group's mission statement, would not qualify as a trustworthy or scientifically sound citation.

The potential for SUVs to emit a higher amount of harmful emissions in comparison to other vehicles is not disputed, or at least should not be, as contrarily we have evidence to support that statement. What we do not have evidence for, is that a small group of individuals deflating tires during miniature guerilla campaigns has amounted to more than public intrigue or common mischief.

Anyone who wishes to establish an undeniable study, which links the group's actions to a decrease in carbon emissions from SUVs, is welcome to provide such a source. 2607:FEA8:1C1E:6800:7DDF:57B8:4335:4762 (talk) 18:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

To date no publications have made mention of the environmental impact of their actions: even bigger tow trucks rolling to the scene because either people don’t know how to replace tires and need assistance, or because the tire can’t safely be changed on the highway. Also the environmental impact of 1 or more police cars with large engines driving to the scene. This should be covered here.

Also, nothing yet on perhaps life and death emergencies that became worse because someone couldn’t drive their vehicle when an incident happened. 2603:3021:135E:8100:38A2:A4D1:FA4B:9E35 (talk) 18:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

i like that last reversion

i was going to rewrite that lede fer styl'age, but you did wonderfully. it absolutely should state up front that their actions are based in arguable personal convictions. we here know nothing of this topic. Saintstephen000 (talk)

Cheers! 2607:FEA8:1C1E:6800:7DDF:57B8:4335:4762 (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I also think the new phrasing is reasonable and works as a solid compromise. Brom20110101 (talk) 04:18, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I thought through it some more. Stating "...that they believe has a disproportionate impact..." in that second sentence implies this impact depends on their belief. But it doesn't, the IEA data is right there and shows it's true. So that phrasing is wrong because their believing or not believing doesn't matter. Whether they're actually helping by doing the tire thing is irrelevant. So I vote we change it back Brom20110101 (talk) 04:24, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Obviously A Biased Article

This article is obviously biased let’s not play that it’s not. “Journalists have described the actions as illegal.” No need to question it: an organized group consisting together to and then actually vandalizing people’s cars is criminal. We have plenty of Wikipedia articles describing behavior that’s known to be a crime that don’t use such a kit glove approach. Wikipedia policies are being applied selectively here.

Let’s just come out and say it that they are committing crimes but haven’t yet been prosecuted. 2603:3021:135E:8100:38A2:A4D1:FA4B:9E35 (talk) 17:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Journalists describing the actions as criminal is only flagged as "better source needed" because neither of the sources ([1], [2]) actually says that, they both just mention police responding to the reports. The Global News puts the story in the "Crime" category, but doesn't explicitly describe the act as criminal.

Any given Wikipedia article about a criminal behaviour will say which countries that's true for, and provide sourced footnotes so that the reader can confirm this for themselves.

If deflating tires is unquestionably a crime in some countries: which ones, and what sources can be cited for that? Belbury (talk) 18:05, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Project: Organized Crime, Wiki Categories: Organized Crime

Requesting we include this article in categories concerning organized crime. 2603:3021:135E:8100:38A2:A4D1:FA4B:9E35 (talk) 17:54, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2023

This article fails to mention that Tyre Extinguishers are terrorists. 12.208.228.34 (talk) 19:38, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:11, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Provide sources or keep your biased personal opinions to yourself. Kubis (talk) 14:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Ecoterrorism

isn’t this arguable ecoterrorism in a stochastic sense? 23.93.17.238 (talk) 20:39, 3 December 2023 (UTC)