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minutes after this page was created, it was marked for deletion with a rather derogatory remark: "this is not a memorial site".

this event received significant media attention, triggering investigations and aggressive demonstrations. It involved extreme violence, probable criminal misconduct and symbolizes relevant issues of social justice. The victim's name is now recognizable and associated with the event, more than justifying an encyclopedic entry. Please support and improve this page so that it does not fall victim to censorship.

--APDEF (talk) 06:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 2012

I deleted one of the last sentences; there's no proof of criminal misconduct and to say the arrest of 20 protestors who did violate the law is hypocritical since none of the officers were not charged is prejudicial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.113.112 (talk) 01:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removing neutrality tag

There appears to be no discussion for a tag which was placed in the middle of the text in November, 2011. I am going to be WP:BOLD and remove it. If someone sees fit to replace we should iron these concerns out through discussion.Boogerpatrol (talk) 23:23, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

According to current Wikipedia conventions, the title should probably be Death of Tyisha Miller... AnonMoos (talk) 22:52, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link the particular naming convention? Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where the formal policy is (something about people whose notability is only due to a single event), but compare Death of Mark Duggan, Death of Jean Charles de Menezes, Shooting of Michael Brown, etc. AnonMoos (talk) 09:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your suggestion and the links. I would support a move, but more discussion from other editors is needed. If we don't get any comments in the next week we can set up a RFC to attract more attention. – S. Rich (talk) 17:57, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to proposed title, leaving a redirect of course, per above and another pertinent example, Death of Kelly Thomas, this seems to be the convention... Roberticus talk 18:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What about changing the name in Shooting of Tyisha Miller, as is in all the other cases? --Camelia (talk) 20:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Omission

The article doesn't mention the main question that many people had, which was why the matter couldn't have been handled as a medical problem, instead of being escalated to a quasi-SWAT situation... AnonMoos (talk) 22:52, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Having some familiarity with the news stories at the time, my impression was that they simply sought to break open the car window in order to retrieve the weapon and rescue Miller. That step was necessary before the medics could be brought in. Moreover, no tactical equipment was brought out, so it certainly was not a SWAT matter. Just officers doing what they thought best for Miller, while seeking to go home at the end of the shift, rather than to the ER. If the SWAT angle has reliable sourcing to support it, I'd certainly like to see what it says. – S. Rich (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It seems fairly clear that when they saw the gun, there was an immediate knee-jerk reaction in which the possible medical problem, or the idea of helping her, was instantly demoted to 17th-place priority, and they focused on the gun issue to the near-exclusion of everything else, and went onto twitchy hair-trigger alert status as if being threatened (despite the complete lack of evidence of any aggressive intentions on her part, and the fact that the gun was never in her hand). There were probably a variety of ways they could have prudently handled the situation without allowing the presence of the gun to completely dominate their thought processes and override all other considerations... AnonMoos (talk) 09:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Riverside County's local newspaper (The Press-Enterprise) had many stories about the incident and aftermath. (The P-E received the 1968 Pulitzer Prize for its public service journalism.) Archives are on microfilm. – S. Rich (talk) 17:54, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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