Talk:Ty Bollinger

Article creation

Another new article on wikipedia! Feel free to improve it. I initially thought it should be named Ty and Charlene Bollinger, but researching it showed a lot of their activities don't actually involve Charlene. Robincantin (talk) 15:59, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Ty Bollinger banned in a Google search too

https://www.wsmv.com/news/youtube-and-google-block-sumner-county-couples-anti-vax-media-empire/article_34780bec-ebe6-11eb-9540-cbbd98133c83.html

This comes after The Bollingers were shut down for the anti-vax rants on relation to COVID-19.2601:640:C681:C260:C8A0:EEB:9B4D:170F (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Reference 13

It’s pure opinion. Not a good reference 1quantumdoc (talk) 11:33, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Reference 14

Again pure opinion. No facts. Just typical allopathic ignorant response 1quantumdoc (talk) 11:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

We follow reliable sources, not the opinions of random people on the internet. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:43, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Reference 15

Same link as 13. Just unsubstantiated opinion 1quantumdoc (talk) 11:37, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Quite right 1quantumdoc, that was a duplicate citation. I removed it and added two references to adequately support that statement. The article Detoxification (alternative medicine) already covers the evidence, no need to replicate everything here. Robincantin (talk) 17:03, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is bias

Wikipedia should allow open discussion. Did a medical doctor write this demeaning article? Who gave Wikipedia the authority to determine which medical doctors are right and which are wrong? I know many medical doctors who disagree with mainstream people vaxers. 63.64.36.245 (talk) 04:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, we are biased toward facts, science, and what the highest-quality sources available say. That's what the article reflects. And yes, many contributors to medical Wikipedia articles, including this one, are licensed physicians. While you may know physicians who disagree with "mainstream people vaxers," this undermines the credibility of the doctors you claim to know and only amounts to anecdote in the end. Anecdote is worth far less than objective evidence, especially when it comes to medical topics. Thank you for sharing your concerns. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 08:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Getting this article right

In other places on Wikipedia I had heard some rumblings about this article not being fair or well written. I am a retired professional writer/editor with more than 40 years experience. As they say, I have no dog in this fight. My only goal is to edit this article with a neutral tone adhering to all Wikipedia MOS and encyclopedia style. I edit boldly with confidence because I know what I am doing. If you have a bone to pick with what I do with this article because you think this guy is a whack or because you are one of his devotees, take your argument somewhere else. If you honestly believe I have erred and your only goal is a Wikipedia article that represents excellence, by all means, let me know. Finally, if you are an experienced editor, then please, jump in and help! All the best to all of you. MarydaleEd (talk) 00:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

UPDATE: It is getting late and spouse wants to sleep! Don't give up on me, I will return tomorrow to continue to contribute to this article. Good night! MarydaleEd (talk) 03:12, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup and improvements! And I REALLY APPRECIATE the great explanations you provide in the edit summaries; since I know that you will be continuing to work on this article, in case I see anything that seems to be missed/forgotten/dropped, I'll point it out here on Talk rather than add to the confusion by restoring it somewhere. Thanks again! ---Avatar317^(talk) 23:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the much-overdue cleanup! I'm not sure why you think your changes would be controversial. Robincantin (talk) 10:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

Please change:

Ty Bollinger (born 1968) is an American author and conspiracy theorist who disseminates misinformation about cancer treatments, anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, unproven cures, alternative medicine treatments for cancer and vaccine-preventable diseases.[1]: 1  Although Bollinger refers to himself as a medical researcher he has no medical training. Bollinger runs the website The Truth About Cancer and its associated social media accounts, where he sells books, videos, and nutritional supplements.

To: Ty Bollinger (born 1968) is often Mislabeled as a conspiracy theorist, and Disinformation agent. In reality he and his wife Charlene are both just honest people who had the misfortune, of losing seven close family members the cancer. And are now on a mission to save others from having to suffer the same loss. They offer alternative treatments to those who choose not to undergo chemotherapy. He is a Christian, happily married husband and father, health freedom advocate, cancer researcher, former competitive bodybuilder, documentary film producer, radio show host, and author. He began his work in 2006 with the release of his book “Cancer step outside the box”. And has since published, released, and starred in many documentary films on alternative medicine treatments including The Truth about Cancer: A Global Quest (2015) which was viewed by more than 10 million people worldwide. He has also released many books including “The truth about cancer” which soon became number two on the New York Times Bestseller list. He is also co-Founder of The Truth About Cancer & The Truth About Vaccines. BabyBollinger (talk) 23:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Replacing well-documented statements backed with credible sources by a promotional text would reduce the quality of the article significantly. The current wording should stay, in my opinion. Robincantin (talk) 02:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

Please change:

Ty Bollinger (born 1968) is an American author and conspiracy theorist who disseminates misinformation about cancer treatments, anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, unproven cures, alternative medicine treatments for cancer and vaccine-preventable diseases.[1]: 1  Although Bollinger refers to himself as a medical researcher he has no medical training. Bollinger runs the website The Truth About Cancer and its associated social media accounts, where he sells books, videos, and nutritional supplements.

To: Ty Bollinger (born 1968) is often Mislabeled as a conspiracy theorist, and Disinformation agent. In reality he and his wife Charlene are both just honest people who had the misfortune, of losing seven close family members the cancer. And are now on a mission to save others from having to suffer the same loss. They offer alternative treatments to those who choose not to undergo chemotherapy. He is a Christian, happily married husband and father, health freedom advocate, cancer researcher, former competitive bodybuilder, documentary film producer, radio show host, and author. He began his work in 2006 with the release of his book “Cancer step outside the box”. And has since published, released, and starred in many documentary films on alternative medicine treatments including The Truth about Cancer: A Global Quest (2015) which was viewed by more than 10 million people worldwide. He has also released many books including “The truth about cancer” which soon became number two on the New York Times Bestseller list. He is also co-Founder of The Truth About Cancer & The Truth About Vaccines. BabyBollinger Charity H. Bollinger 18:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The proposed change is not a minor edit, which is required for use of the edit request template procedure. It also does not follow WP:NPOV. PianoDan (talk) 18:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Terms

you lose all credibility when you use terms like "rant", "conspiracy theorist", etc, especially concerning the COVID vaccine. There is now too much information out there proving damage to vaccinated individuals as a result. This article reads like an opinion peice. 98.165.222.140 (talk) 22:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Rename to Ty and Charlene Bollinger

The AP News article illustrates how the Bollingers are business partners, as well as spouses. The IMDB lists Charlene Bollinger as producer or executive producer on 9 video series. Both Ty and Charlene are listed as part of the "disinformation dozen." Charlene Bollinger should therefore be much more prominent in this article. I propose to rename the article to Ty and Charlene Bollinger. Also, there's a new article by Media Matters that may be relevant. ScienceFlyer (talk) 21:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I think we should wait and get more content mentioning her in the article BEFORE adding her name to the title; we could add a redirect for her name here until then. It would be kind of weird to have the name be T & C when right now she's only mentioned twice in the article as his spouse, but otherwise not connected (other than the new sources you present) to his activities. ---Avatar317^(talk) 00:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

As a side comment/comparison, Joseph Mercola's partner is Erin Elizabeth, but they have separate articles; their activities are probably 90-95% separate. ---Avatar317^(talk) 00:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

When I created the article (see first Talk topic), I realized we had almost nothing about Charlene - nothing for the Background section, nothing independent of Ty - and not everything Ty does involves her. So I decided I to go with just Ty and include her wherever appropriate. I don't think we have much more at this point. It's actually remarkable how little investigative journalism has been done about those two. Maybe she's the mastermind, we just don't know. Robincantin (talk) 02:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)