Talk:Two Men Contemplating the Moon

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‎Xanthomelanoussprog leave this in your hands. Hafspajen (talk) 18:33, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Xanthomelanoussprog, Hafspajen, this looks like a bad translation - but I can't find the source. It does not appear to be from the German Wikipedia. Which is an immense article. I'm tempted to stub it and come back to it later, but if I can find the source, it may be rescuable in its present form. Any ideas? Yngvadottir (talk) 19:12, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps remove the interpretative stuff from "So sober" and leave the provenance for now? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:18, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm about to overwrite provenance, which is utter gibberish and may possibly derive from de.wikipedia. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:20, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/438417

Looks like it was translated from a German print book ("Links" remained untranslated) maybe via OCR, or some semi-sentient neurological process. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, before I fell into bed I saw the cited source and tried to access it on Google Books. I've also asked the editor on their talk page. I think best to blow it up and replace it with a digest of the German Wikipedia article; thanks for your further work. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:27, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That section is now replaced, and I see you have slotted in the section on the different versions, so we essentially have a new article :-) By the way I believe the word translated "space block" and "room block" was Raumsperre - "cut-off" or "sharp transition" between the foreground and the background. Or simpler yet, "frame". But I can't see Geismeier - who also published the same title in East and West, so the text may vary. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:06, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The moon is displaying earthshine- I don't know if it's permissible to mention this? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:36, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why not. A lot of the details in the description are patently sourced to the paintings themselves. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Any thoughts on the wedge-shaped stone visible in both versions beneath the roots of the oak tree? It's just that its shape and position seem implausible in the context of a natural scene (different type of rock, indicated by the fracture planes; the growth of the tree roots doesn't seem to have responded to the presence of the rock). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:13, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Refs for Versions;

Katalog Ausstellung Caspar David Friedrich. Winterlandschaften. Museum für Kunst und Kulturgeschichte der Stadt Dortmund, Dortmund 1990, S. 49, 51, 57, 75, 77 f., 80 f., Nr. 36-38

Kasper Monrad: Friedrich and Two Danish Moonwatchers. In: Kat. Ausst. Caspar David Friedrich Moonwatchers. The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York 2001, S. 23-29