Talk:Two-state solution (Cyprus)
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"See also" section
[edit]The following is removed from "See also" section with the pretext "irrelevant" and "irrelevant examples, nothing slightly related to the topic":
- Dissolution (politics)
- Dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire (800-1806)
- Dissolution of the union between Norway and Sweden (1814–1905) (peaceful dissolution)
- Dissolution of the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves (1815-1825)
- Dissolution of Austria-Hungary (1867-1918)
- Dissolution of Czechoslovakia (1918-1992) (peaceful dissolution)
- Dissolution of the Soviet Union (1922-1991)
- Breakup of Yugoslavia (1945-1992)
- Dissolution of Serbia and Montenegro (1992-2006)
However, "dissolution (politics) and its past examples" are relevant with "the two-state solution" in Cyprus island. The officialization of the current de facto two-state definitely would be another dissolution example.
The two-state solution for the Cyprus dispute is the proposed permanent division of the island of Cyprus into a Turkish Cypriot state in the north and a Greek Cypriot state in the south. The two-state solution includes as a possibility the legalization of the status quo, where Greek Cypriots govern the southern part of the island and Turkish Cypriots govern the northern part.
- Even the Two-state_solution_(disambiguation) wiki-page includes:
- Two-state solution (Cyprus), Turkish and Greek.
- "Dissolution of Czechoslovakia to Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1991". Hence, it is relevant. 78.164.55.5 (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- No it is not. None of your examples refers to it as two state solution. Beshogur (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Even if that was a correct example, I don't see any mention of real two state solution like Israel-Palestine. Because it is irrelevant to this topic, totally different things. Beshogur (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- The VERY wiki-page (Two-state_solution_(disambiguation)) includes:
- The VERY wiki-page (Two-state_solution_(disambiguation)) includes:
- Even if that was a correct example, I don't see any mention of real two state solution like Israel-Palestine. Because it is irrelevant to this topic, totally different things. Beshogur (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
The Two-state solution may refer to:
Two-state solution, Israel and Palestine
Two-state solution (Cyprus), Turkish and Greek
Two-state solution (Iraqi–Kurdish negotiations)
Dissolution of Czechoslovakia to Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1991
Partition of India in 1948
Also:
https://www.jpost.com/Israel/Israel-should-follow-Czech-example-of-two-state-solution
"Israel should follow Czech example of TWO-STATE SOLUTION" 78.164.55.5 (talk) 20:56, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
(1) Dissolution (politics): Dissolution in politics is when a state, institution, nation, or administrative region DISSOLVES or CEASES TO EXIST, USUALLY separating into two or more entities, or being annexed.
Two-state solution is a form of Dissolution.
Dissolution does NOT necessarily imply that the newly-formed entities (after the dissolution, whether de jure or de facto) are the formal constituents of the dissolved structure.
"Dissolution (politics)" and the "Two-State Solution" are directly related in Cyprus island, too.
(2) https://icahd.org/2019/08/21/the-difficult-passage-from-a-two-state-solution-to-decolonisation-in-palestine-israel/
"...Perhaps, LIKE CZECHOSLOVAKIA, a TWO-STATE SOLUTION will emerge from the one state, the opposite of what has been predicted..."
(3) "CYPRUS could split LIKE CZECHOSLOVAKIA, Turkish Cypriots say" (The Guardian; 24.01.2010)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/24/cyprus-reunification-talks
"CYPRUS could become ANOTHER CZECHOSLOVAKIA, splitting in to TWO SEPARATE STATES unless Britain and its international partners move to prevent the collapse of crucial reunification talks, officials in Turkish northern Cyprus have warned."
(4) https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/two-states-for-two-peoples-solution-or-illusion/
"...A genuine "bi-national confederal" state - by giving expression to the collective identities - could in important respects be closer to a TWO-STATE MODEL than to a unitary "secular democratic" state, but its supporters would need to show why it will be more robust than, say, Belgium and Canada, the two bi-national examples often cited in favourable comparison but which are both fragile entities, periodically in danger of DISSOLVING INTO THEIR NATIONAL CONSTITUENT PARTS. The fate of the multinational constructs of the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and CZECHOSLOVAKIA are not encouraging in this respect either..."
(5) The Long Goodbye:
"...A useful model could be the DISSOLUTION OF CZECHOSLOVAKIA in 1993 into the Czech Republic and Slovakia..." (Fabian Society; 31.01.2023)
https://fabians.org.uk/the-long-goodbye/
(6) The TWO-STATE SOLUTION is not dead: (Arabnews; 11.05.2013)
https://www.arabnews.com/node/451182/%7B%7B
"...Other peoples have found it impossible to live together in one state. Take the Soviet Union. Yugoslavia. Serbia. CZECHOSLOVAKIA. CYPRUS. Sudan. The Scots want to secede from the United Kingdom. So do the Basques and the Catalans from Spain. The French in Canada and the Flemish in Belgium are uneasy. As far as I know, nowhere in the entire world have two different peoples agreed to form a joint state for decades. No, the TWO-STATE SOLUTION is not dead. It cannot die, because it is the only solution there is. Despair may be convenient and tempting. But despair is no solution at all..."
(7) A useful template could be the DISSOLUTION OF CZECHOSLOVAKIA in 1993 into the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/17/support-for-an-israel-palestine-confederation-is-gaining-ground
(8) Israel/Palestine: Is There A Case for Bi-nationalism?
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/israelpalestine-is-there-a-case-for-bi-nationalism
"...Given that many bi- and multinational states have failed to accommodate distinct national groups under far more auspicious circumstances (as illustrated in the DISSOLUTION OF CZECHOSLOVAKIA and the bloody collapse of the Yugoslav federation)..." 212.174.38.3 (talk) 07:50, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Wrong Link and info in the Opposition section
[edit]The link below is "Private Military and Security Companies (PMSCs)" article of Birthe Anders in oxfordbibliographies: https://web.archive.org/web/20240113062806/https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/abstract/document/obo-9780199743292/obo-9780199743292-0209.xml This link has nothing to do with "Territorial integrity in international relations". Oxford Bibliographies. Retrieved 12 January 2024.". Direct link (https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199743292/obo-9780199743292-0209.xml) also does not include any such info.212.174.38.3 (talk) 06:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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curprev 14:23, 11 November 2024 78.175.225.30 talk 35,703 bytes +1,144 →Support for two-state solution: Valentin Dantec (My country? Europe; 13.01.2021): "The only way left to move forward is a two-state solution."
curprev 12:24, 11 November 2024 78.175.225.30 talk 34,559 bytes +863 →Support for two-state solution: After the USA's Federal Court's designation of TRNC as a "democratic republic" in 2014, the U.S. Department of State has called TRNC as "The Area Administered by Turkish Cypriots"
curprev 13:07, 7 November 2024 5.46.63.86 talk 33,696 bytes +510 On 6 November 2024, Ersin Tatar, President of the TRNC, participated in The Council of Heads of State of the Organization of Turkic States (OTS) in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan
curprev 06:50, 4 November 2024 212.174.38.177 talk 33,186 bytes −773 The 2-state solution has been proposed by TRNC(TURKISH CYPRIOTS), Türkiye, and many int'l observers, and is supported by friendly countries to TR. 2-State Solution is currently DE FACTO practised in LOTS of applications: AZE&PAK received TRNC's leader as a PRESIDENT in OFFICIAL visits, and (after "UN-ICJ 2010: Int'l law contains NO PROHIBITION on UDI"), Int'l courts (ECtHR 2Jul2013), and courts of countries (USA's Federal Court 9Oct2014, UK's High Court 3Feb2017) decided on the LEGALITY of TRNC
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curprev 14:12, 28 October 2024 195.134.114.34 talk 33,960 bytes +774 It is important to note that the two state solution has only been proposed by Turkey. No other country or entity accept it.Cyprus, Greece, the EU, UN and the USA all disagree. It is important to make the article unbiased and be truthful, thaty this two state solution is currently only been accepted as a negotiable plan only by Turkey and has been steadily opposed by every other formal entity.
curprev 12:24, 24 October 2024 212.174.38.177 talk 33,186 bytes +666 →Polls: RetailZoom's poll (14-16 October 2024; Southern Cyprus; Greek Cypriots): 28% of Greek Cypriots favoured a "two-state solution"
curprev 09:14, 17 October 2024 212.174.38.177 talk 32,520 bytes +523 →Support for two-state solution: The UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres (15.10.2024): There is no common ground between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus for negotiations
curprev 04:27, 10 October 2024 80.2.74.232 talk 31,997 bytes +19 →Support for two-state solution
curprev 11:23, 16 September 2024 212.174.38.177 talk 31,978 bytes +1,422 →Support for two-state solution: Turkish parliament passed a resolution for two-state solution to the Cyprus problem.
I oppose the deletions:
1) If the deletor has sensed any sort of non-neutrality, s/he can correct the edit based on the sources given.
2) I could not find the deleted parts in the article via that sort of delete. EasternMediterraneanFacts (talk) 12:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
The deleted SOURCED material includes:
- Turkish parliament passes resolution for two-state solution in Cyprus.
- Valentin Dantec (My country Europe; 13 January 2021): Reunification or Two-State Solution? Future Prospects for Cyprus.
- The calling of the U.S. Department of State to TRNC as "The Area Administered by Turkish Cypriots"
- Participation of Ersin Tatar, President of the TRNC, to The Council of Heads of State of the Organization of Turkic States (OTS) in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan as Guest of Honor.
- The 2-state solution has been proposed by TRNC(TURKISH CYPRIOTS), Türkiye, and many int'l observers, and is supported by friendly countries to TR. 2-State Solution is currently DE FACTO practised in LOTS of applications: AZE&PAK received TRNC's leader as a PRESIDENT in OFFICIAL visits, and (after "UN-ICJ 2010: Int'l law contains NO PROHIBITION on UDI"), Int'l courts (ECtHR 2Jul2013), and courts of countries (USA's Federal Court 9Oct2014, UK's High Court 3Feb2017) decided on the LEGALITY of TRNC.
- Polls: RetailZoom's poll (14-16 October 2024; southern Cyprus; Greek Cypriots): 28% of Greek Cypriots favoured a "two-state solution".EasternMediterraneanFacts (talk) 14:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)