Talk:Twist ending

Proposed merge

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was I've proposed a merge with other "ending" articles into one single article, Ending (literature). Reasons and discussion can be found here (scroll down until you see the listing). L337 kybldmstr 10:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Meger - Resulting article would become excessivly long and pre-cede any GA or FA nomination   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 23:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment that merger proposal is a year old. Darrenhusted (talk)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge all 'twist' articles

There's a dreadful article called Plot twist, and this fantastic article, Twist ending. I'm inclined to say Twist ending should be renamed Plot twist, and discuss twists in general. I don't see why "ending" should be the only area in which twists are discussed. While in many cases the ending is where the big twist occurs (Planet of the Apes, The Usual Suspects, Fight Club), a more generic discussion could be more useful.

It would further provide a justification for eliminating the terrible content of the aforementioned Plot twist article. -FeralDruid (talk) 04:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Merger - Two different topics a twist ending and a twist deserve distinguishment   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 23:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Support. The twists given in this article do not only apply to endings, indeed many are not about endings at all. Should be merged, and the resulting article have a section discussing the application of twists to endings - if there is anything special to say about them. I really donh't think many make any difference if the occur at the the end, or after 3/4 of the plot.Yobmod (talk) 10:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

As the merge is not going along yet, i've stzarted removeing all the examples of twists that are not endings (eg, characters being killed at the beginning of a movie).Yobmod (talk) 13:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Lord of the Flies

On Lord of The Flies being a Dues Ex Machina ending, I'm not sure that it was since the boat came due to the fact that the boys had lit the whole island on fire. Also, I understood the source of the phrase as a mechanical god brought down to resolve to play.

As was pointed out by the author in a later foreword, the officer and his ship saved the kids, but who will save the officer and his ship? It's not a deus ex but actually a "moral twist" ending.

I removed this: For example, in William Golding's Lord of the Flies, a ship arrives at the island to rescue the boys just in time to prevent the band of "hunters" from killing the protagonist, Ralph.

As it is not a DeM (what is unexpoected about a ship coing to investigate an island that is on fire, in an area where a bunch of kids went missing? And the source doesn't look very reliable either, more of a blog.Yobmod (talk) 10:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Lord of the flies is NOT a twost ending. A twist ending would have been if the kids were stranded on purpose and everyone was in on it to test one of the kids to see if he'd stay sane, etc. THAT would have been a twist ending. Lord of the Flies is just about kids stranded, who go crazy and in the end rescuers find them just before they kill someone. Where's the twist? NONE.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.112.186 (talk) 23:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

An addendum to this would be: The Prestige is not a Deus Ex Machina ending either, I'm removing it's reference as the plot follows a straight-forward conclusion. The film establishes a Steam Punk science fiction in this pseudo-possible reality. The science fiction nature to the film does not make the ending a DeM. A significantly better example would be in The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, where the siege of Helms Deep is ended by the exiled calvary who return _just_ in time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.177.126 (talk) 08:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Merging?

I'm not quite sure I understand the merging. This is what the tag reads:

So we should merge all four articles into an article that does not exist? I saw that the link we were supposed to merge to is bright red. I thought it was speedily deleted or deleted for nonsense or gibberish, but a click tells me the page is brand spankin' new! What's the deal here? We're going to gather all the information and then create a new article with it? Lady★Galaxy 05:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Harry Potter

>:D A great example of a triple-cross betrayal would be Snape in Harry Potter :D ....Wouldn't it? =o Might come out soon too :O —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.231.51 (talk) 12:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Linkfarm?

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• [http: //my.en.com/~mcq/unreliable.html The ubiquitous unreliable narrator]
• [http: //www.wjh.harvard.edu/~wroth/RashomonEffect.pdf The Rashomon Effect. Combining Positivist and Interpretivist Approaches in the Analysis of Contested Events - Harvard University]
• [http: //www.memorylossonline.com/spring2002/memlossatmovies.htm Memory Loss at the Movies]
• [http: //www.rashmisinha.com/archives/04_06/memento-memory.html Memento, Movies, and Memory]
• [http: //www.post-gazette.com/movies/20040203mindgames0203fnp2.asp Messing with the mind: Several movies are zeroing in on the loss of memory and its effects]
• [http: //metaphilm.com/philm.php?id=301_0_2_0 Forget, Memory - The Whys of the Oubliette Film]
• [http: //gaslight.mtroyal.ca/vandine.htm Twenty rules for writing detective stories]
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• [http: //www.southernscribe.com/zine/culture/Floyd_John.htm Interview with John Floyd]
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• [http: //www.uia.net/~hixon/twistendings.html Twist Endings Article]
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Mechanics of the twist ending

What is this section doing here? It is simply a list of literary devices, many of which have no relation to a "twist ending". However without it the article is very short, so I am forced to ask "What is this article doing here?" Any suggestions? DJ Clayworth (talk) 01:39, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

On reflection the entire article is wrong, from the definition onwards. A Twist Ending mustn't just be "unexpected" and "contain irony", it must cast a whole different light on the narrative so far. If the cavalry ride over the hill to save the settlers from the Indians, that's unexpected but not a twist. If it turns out the Indians were trying to save them from a Buffalo stampede, and not attacking, that's a twist.

My suggestion is that the tiny amount of valid content here is merged to Literary technique and this made a redirect. DJ Clayworth (talk) 01:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Tells Too Much

This article reveals too much about the twist endings of several books and movies. I'm sure there have been some people who have looked at this article and ended up finding out about the ending of something that they had been planning to read or watch sometime in the future. At very least, this article should have some type of spoiler warning at the top. Mollymoon 23:48, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Article should be removed

This is an excellent article but it is certainly original research by Wikipedia's standards.

I will remove it shortly unless there are good arguments otherwise.

Keithbowden (talk) 23:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Not a penny less, not a penny more

The book has a great twist at the end but does not really fit into any of the categories given on the page. What would it be filed under? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.132.13 (talk) 14:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)