Talk:Turquerie

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Did you know... that turquerie became popular in Europe and America primarily due to the writings of Lady Mary Wortley Montagu?

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I have removed "This was about Mehmed IV’s Siege of Vienna and the captivity he faced after losing. It entailed a passionate love triangle and suicide.^[1]" - follow the links and check the dates (and Tamerlano) to see why. I don't know whart is intended maybe it can be salvaged. Johnbod (talk) 16:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Time to Talk:Turquerie: European watches with Arabic numbers are not made as turqueries for European consumption, but made for the Turkish market.

Turqueries, things Turkish, and imitation Turkish goods (not identical) that could be mentioned: lit à la turque, ladies in turbans (1780-1795), robe à la turque, "visites à la Turque""; tulips, lilacs, Levant Company; Olivier Ghislain de Busbecq; English turkeywork chairs c 1650; Die Entführing aus dem Serail, film Yankee Pasha (1954, a "rescue opera" without music, in film), porcelain coffee services by Meissen, etc, Mozart's Rondo à la Turque (from Sonata in A Major K331), Jean-Étienne Liotard, France and Dutch faience imitating Isnik ceramics, bagnio, alcove, divan, ottoman, kiosk, sultanas. I don't know where to start. --Wetman (talk) 21:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Start with Gentile Bellini I think! Johnbod (talk) 03:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now, Johnbod, a Turkish subject is not a turquerie, any more than a C19 volume of travels in Anatolia, such as F.V.J. Arundell, Discoveries in Asia Minor: Including a Description of the Ruins of Several Ancient Cities, Espcially Antioch of Pisidia, 2 vols. (London) 1834. I've recently read that Meissen produced coffee services specifically for the Turkish market (changing the crossed sword mark, lest it offend!). A subsection here should be Goods for the Turkish market, distinguishing this category from fanciful turqueries specifically for the Western taste. It's a whole category that includes English and Parisian clocks and watches. And the automata and music boxes specifically made for the Ottoman court. For turquerie on the other hand there's the hoax, a fake chess-playing "automaton" called The Turk (an excellent article, btw!). This article should include links to Sublime Porte and "Grand Turk", a figure of terror and fascination for Europeans. --Wetman (talk) 05:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Ibid, pp. 475.

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Where's that template?

DarkestMoonlight (talk) 14:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blame Nick! --74.13.131.25 (talk) 17:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other terms perhaps?

Are there other terms by which this phenomenon is known? I'm trying to get a feel for the prominence of this term in studying European tastes of the period, and it looks to me like the term was coined (or at least strongly supported) by a 1968 article in the MOMA Bulletin (The Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin, New Series, Vol. 26, No. 5 (Jan., 1968), pp. 225-239), with a burst of usage in the subsequent years, and since the early 1970s, very little. Are there other terms that have arisen for this? Or has the phenomenon, once described, lost its cachet for later researchers? In either case, it would be nice to see an updated take on the idea, fitting it in better with how Turquerie is currently seen by art historians. Avram (talk) 20:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I suppose it is originally a French term, and it is rather more seen in French artists that British - they had India of course. Nowadays I suspect it is rolled up into the more general Orientalism most of the time. Johnbod (talk) 23:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Ibid, pp. 475.

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