Talk:Turner Construction

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Notability Sources

some place to start... ["Turner%20Construction"] --Rocksanddirt 19:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable projects section

I'm purging the list since it's just a list. Those places maybe notable, but I'm thinking the notability of these places don't automatically precipitates into the construction that did it. Graywalls (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Parked references

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-bloomberg-leader-palace-20181211-story.html

https://nypost.com/2018/12/11/construction-chief-ripped-off-bloomberg-to-build-dream-house-prosecutors/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kickbacks-and-sandwiches-how-insiders-ran-an-alleged-construction-fraud-at-bloomberg-11544569969

https://www.manhattanda.org/da-vance-announces-chargers-against-former-bloomberg-lp-and-turner-construction-executives-in-15m-bid-rigging-and-commercial-bribery-conspiracy/

https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/former-turner-construction-executive-pleads-guilty/

https://www.law360.com/articles/1297878/ex-construction-boss-eyed-for-bribes-to-cop-to-tax-count

https://therealdeal.com/2020/07/30/former-turner-construction-exec-pleads-guilty-in-bribery-scheme/

Graywalls (talk) 07:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These are sources I located myself that I intend to use to expand the article. Graywalls (talk) 06:54, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lede worthy examples

I'm not opposed to having a few examples in the list, but my concern is that the examples that have been added into the lede are only supported by primary sources, such as nyc.gov and EVEN WORSE, Turner's own website. The contents in lede should be selected to minimize the amount that company controlled sources affect the content selection. Also it's not "suspected" bribery. See https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/former-turner-construction-executive-pleads-guilty/. Graywalls (talk) 01:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC) @Epicgenius: Graywalls (talk) 01:17, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point Graywalls, but I disagree that primary sources should not be used to support the inclusion of certain projects in the lead. In this case, I don't think nyc.gov is even a primary source because, while published by an agency of the NYC government, it is not actually affiliated with the subject of this article. I have corrected the other error about the bribery. In addition, I restored a few changes in the body that provided direct links to the projects in question, and references for said projects. I hope you didn't mean to revert these fixes, but that's what ended up happening. epicgenius (talk) 03:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that these claims were present BEFORE sources were added and the numerous public relations editing that have occurred, it's most likely that they were written that way by the company to the advantage of how they want it presented; rather than looking for information in sources then try to let the resources guide the contents; as opposed to finding resources around supporting contents to mould around framework made by Turner brand management. At least two single purpose accounts have edited this page, one confirmed instance of admitted connected COI editing have occurred. Graywalls (talk) 03:28, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius:, why did you remove the properly sourced information "By 2016, Turner had 45 office locations around the world" ? I believe this is more informative than rattling off opening of doing city 1 (source) city 2 (source). Also, why did you re-insert "After surpassing $100 million in revenues in 1951" and copy-edit the prose in such a way that it now appears that this is cited? I looked at the source, and this claim is unsupportable. Please remove what you have re-inserted unless you can verify it in sources. Graywalls (talk) 03:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Graywalls, I did not see that I removed "By 2016, Turner had 45 office locations around the world". I was trying to restore the references from the other edits. As for reinserting "After surpassing $100 million in revenues in 1951", why indeed. I've removed that. epicgenius (talk) 03:47, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The company has been involved in several controversies over its history" that opening line should be removed as it buries the contents in filler words given there are no other prominent controversies to speak of within the article. Graywalls (talk) 05:47, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Graywalls, I'm not against its removal, but it looks like you just added some more controversies. However, if you feel like it warrants removal, feel free to do so. epicgenius (talk) 15:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would say thus far, the bid rigging is the only "prominent controversy" given that company officials were involved. Just as you put in WHO established the company, I think it's important to mention WHO did the bribery in lede. Graywalls (talk) 18:41, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]