Talk:Tuner (car)

I've written a page about what I knew about the topic. Please make corrections if necessary; excuse my English.

-AmirGTR

Modification or Ricing

When I first took a look at this page the Modification section was just about how Tuners weren't Ricers. I've added a basic paragraph outlining the concept of Tuner modification and created a sub-heading for the Ricing issue, but as there's already a Rice-burner entry in Wiki (which this article refers to) should these three paras be perhaps condensed and trimmed back to a single sentence about appearance versus performance and redirect the reader over to the Rice Burner page? Ozlucien (talk) 03:16, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page REALLY needs to be cleaned up! I mean read some of these articles... look at the comparison of tuners vs muscle cars... grammar issues, contradictory info, deviation from neutral point of view...--74.140.139.22 (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - more than a year later and it's still atrocious. I took my best shot at the grammar angle and tried to salvage some material and improve readability/understandability, but the original text is so bad in places that it was difficult to understand what was being said, so hopefully my translation from borderline gibberish is fairly accurate. I also hope that at least *some* citations are forthcoming. No offense to the writer of the article; props to you for the effort and enthusiasm for the topic. It's obvious you know quite a bit about tuners and are eager to share; you did acknowledge your problems with English, and my main problem is that as a community Wikipedia should do much better than this on a relatively major topic. Arabhorse (talk) 19:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to go through the Tuners vs Muscle cars section, which was absolutely horrendous when I edited it, and rewrite everything to actually include an unbiased, non-hateful comparison of the two. I think the section now is a much better base, though I am unable to provide citations, as it is a very general summary of a comparison that is merely the unbiased opinion of an individual(myself) who has been/is heavily involved in performance modification of both 'muscle' cars and 'tuner' cars. I anyone could find refrences that actually contribute beneficially (as I am sure you could find sources who bash tuner or muscle cars, the type of thing which has no place in an encyclopedic article) to the article, then please elaborate/expand and site said sources. Otherwise, please dont edit the section simply to put a slant on it one way or another. I think it is now very fair to both sides. 128.61.22.135 (talk) 23:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I further cleaned it up and added some info where it seemed kind of vague. The muscle vs tuner comparison seemed somewhat slanted towards the tuners this time, so I re-edited it, knowing that I'm no longer bias towards muscles cars (buying a Prelude today). Now it reflects the reality rather than my or someone else's personal opinion. My English has came a long way. -AmirGTR 7:00, 17 August 2010 (PST)

Thanks,

Thank you for the corrections, looks much better. I've been working on my English pretty hard since that time, and I'm going to correct myself in numerous sentences. I'm more of a muscle car guy, so I'm really trying to keep this unbiased. Make any changes if you see any signs of downgrade towards tuners. '

-AmirGTR 8:11PM, 20 October 2008 (PST)