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August 19, 2024	Good article nominee	Listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the 2019 single "Trust Issues" by Drake was originally released in 2011 as a free download?

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Music and lyrics	5,170	5,170
Chart performance	1,325	1,325
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References	28	28
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GA Review

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Nominator: Dxneo (talk · contribs) 20:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Ippantekina (talk · contribs) 02:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to review the article Tyla (South African singer) but it was taken by another user haha :) will review this one instead. Ippantekina (talk) 02:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, have fun! dxneo (talk) 08:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First impression: I would leave out the tweet as I don't see it as particularly constructive to this article. Ippantekina (talk) 02:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. dxneo (talk) 08:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose review

Suggest adding {{Short description}} manually

Why? Ifi may ask. dxneo (talk) 11:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Currently no short description is shown in the GAN template. I know shortdesc is auto generated but I'd highly recommend adding it normally in case of technical issues depending on device. Ippantekina (talk) 03:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done although I know someone is gonna remove it in a few days. dxneo (talk) 12:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a slow → "It is a slow"
"Trust Issues" was one of the four singles taken from Drake's 2011 studio album, Take Care but infobox/lead says otherwise?

That's what the source say, what's your suggestion? dxneo (talk) 11:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd swap "singles" with "tracks". Ippantekina (talk) 03:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done dxneo (talk) 12:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On May 20, 2011, he released "Dreams Money Can Buy",[5] followed by "Marvins Room", released on June 9, 2011,[6] and a promotional video for the latter on June 28, 2011.[7] No idea how this fact relates to this article

Background information; how the song, album, and compilation came about. I was worried that I couldn't find any source stating that "Marvins Room" was officially released on June 28, that's why I opted to the promotional video. However, that can be removed. dxneo (talk) 11:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still not convinced.. I'd leave all of this outside the article which concerns one specific song and not other songs. Ippantekina (talk) 03:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done dxneo (talk) 12:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

is four minutes and 41 seconds long → "4 minutes and 41 seconds long" per MOS:NUMNOTES
half confessional, half ode to drank Seriously I have no idea what this means

Honestly, I was following the source and I kind of understand it after listening to the song. Still can be removed. dxneo (talk) 11:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can add quotation marks and attribution. Ippantekina (talk) 03:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done dxneo (talk) 12:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it also intensifies to a powerful conclusion as Drake's vocals soar above the energetic arrangement potentially editorializing/POV

Meaning? dxneo (talk) 11:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like an opinion and not an encyclopedic writing. I suggest adding attribution. Ippantekina (talk) 03:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done dxneo (talk) 12:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outside North America, it peaked at number 35 in the United Kingdom on the UK R&B Chart,[1] and number 90 on the UK Streaming Chart → "In the United Kingdom, it peaked at number 35 on the UK R&B Chart and number 90 on the UK Streaming Chart".
Note b is redundant imo.
was supposedly singing about his then-girlfriend Selena Gomez Should be removed per WP:SPECULATION
Move "Charts" before "Certifications"

I have addressed all the changes, what's left are those I have individually replied to above. Thank you again for the instructions. dxneo (talk) 11:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Responded above! :) Ippantekina (talk) 03:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Spotchecks not done. Ippantekina (talk) 05:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecks: 2, 14, 19, 29
Can you help me explain the reliability of:
- Singersroom
- The Edge
- earmilk

— Ippantekina (talk) 03:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

singersroom.com : is classified as marginally reliable by the Cite Highlighter script and throughout my AfD journey, it was frequently used as a reliable source. It has also been referenced by reliable publications as well.
theedgesusu.co.uk was never assessed at WP:RS/N, but it referenced over 100 times and on Ye (2018) which is now GA. I think what matters most is the content on the source.
earmilk.com has been referenced for at least 816 times on Wikipedia

dxneo (talk) 12:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dxneo: I'd like to see more thorough assessment of these sources i.e. editorial oversight, reputation (being used in Metacritic / mentioned by other publications for example). The fact that these sources are used in other GAs is not a strong enough argument. (Singersroom pass this) Ippantekina (talk) 04:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assessing sources is out of my expertise, so I actually do not know where to look for what you are asking of me. At this point, what I can do is try to replace the sources, if possible. dxneo (talk) 10:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was really difficult, but here is earmilk (Earmilk) and here is The Edge (The Edge). dxneo (talk) 12:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing everything. Happy to pass this :) Ippantekina (talk) 02:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 14:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drake in 2011

... that "Trust Issues" by Drake (pictured) was originally released in 2011 as a free download? Source: Ref: Drake slows down DJ Khaled’s “I’m on One” on “Trust Issues,” another new song released as a free download via his blog.
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Created by Dxneo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

dxneo (talk) 16:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

hook not in article (t · c) buidhe 23:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

buidhe, addressed

dxneo (talk) 02:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA promotion from yesterday. Articles about songs with free downloads might be a dime a dozen, but giving this a slight pass thanks to the eight-year stretch before its official re-release. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 05:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dxneo and Slgrandson: if the eight year gap is what's interesting, might be worth including a reference to it in the hook? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AirshipJungleman29, will this do? There are plenty of sources on "Trust Issues" and Care Package and that eight year gap. dxneo (talk) 09:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I meant referring to it in the hook. Apologies for the confusion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you AirshipJungleman29, but unfortunately I don't know how I could squeeze in that "8 year gap" in the hook as I honestly don't see how anyone can miss it even if it's not literally mentioned. Any suggestions please? dxneo (talk) 01:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that the 2019 single "Trust Issues" by Drake (pictured) was originally released in 2011 as a free download?

How about this? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 works for me, but it's not a single. dxneo (talk) 01:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not invested either way, change it if you want, but...if it's not a "single", then why is it linked in his singles discography and singles navbox, and charting on singles charts? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NOT sure what you mean by "singles charts," I just never found a radio date. However, it was initially released as a single, so thanks for the ALT1. dxneo (talk) 02:03, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A bunch of the refs say things like "Official Hip Hop and R&B Singles Chart Top 40" or ""British single certifications – Drake – Trust Issues"." I was speaking to that. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]