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Reviewer: maclean (talk) 03:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see Wikipedia:What is a good article?)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
  5. It is stable.
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Three images, both WPCommons hosted public domain images.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
Notes
  • The lead sentence notes it was "the 18th tropical cyclone and the 8th named storm of the 1971" - but this information does not occur in the main body of the article. Since the lead is supposed to summarize the article body, could you expand the first couple of sentences of the 'Meteorological history' to include some more context of where this storm was placed in the season (18th - 8th) as well as what other storms were happening concurrently?
  • What is the Monthly Weather Review in reference 1? Why not include the volume, issue, and page number parameters in the citation?
  • "However, the large extratropical cyclone over the eastern United States" - did that cyclone have a name? if not, then the sentence should call it a cyclone rather than the cyclone.
  • I'm not following your logic here. The is a definite article; an is an indefinite. The extratropical cyclone has not been previously mentioned in that section, so the indefinite article should be used. maclean (talk) 01:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • How does ref 2 show that "Initially drifting northwestward, the depression continued to organize, and it was declared a tropical storm early on September 12.[2]"? - I found the Heidi entry but I can't seem to see how those numbers mean declared a tropical storm on Sept 12
  • I was referring to the citation used in the article:

46250 09/11/1971 M= 5 9 SNBR= 989 HEIDI XING=1
46255 09/11*271 720 30 0*272 723 30 0*275 728 30 0*279 733 30 0*
46260 09/12*286 738 30 1006*292 740 40 0*300 739 45 1001*308 735 45 998*
46265 09/13*317 728 45 0*327 720 45 0*338 713 45 998*353 703 50 996*
46270 09/14*371 699 55 0*394 693 50 0*416 688 50 0*437 687 40 998*
46275 09/15*455 690 25 1002* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*
These numbers are used to support the sentence Initially drifting northwestward, the depression continued to organize, and it was declared a tropical storm early on September 12. There is no legend or column headings in the reference. All I'm asking is how I do I translate these numbers to that prose. maclean (talk) 23:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The translated database I mentioned above is identical in its information, except easier to read and decipher. For that sentence, you look at the following two lines:

5 28.60 -73.80 09/12/00Z30 1006 TROPICAL DEPRESSION

6 29.20 -74.00 09/12/06Z 40 - TROPICAL STORM

"Tropical depression" --> "Tropical storm" means it strengthened into a tropical storm at 09/12/06Z. Previously, while still a depression, it was centered at 28.60N 73.80W, and once it attained TS status, it was centered at 29.20N 74.00W, so it moved northwestward. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand why this is so difficult... Ok, you say this is "identical in its information" to those numbers, so please enlighten me, how do you get from those numbers (used as a reference in the article) to "Tropical depression" → "Tropical storm"? -maclean (talk) 04:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Second opinion requested
  • I would like an independent/experienced reviewer to help clear up two items (for the background see the points above):
    • WP:GA? 1a. "the prose is clear": is it clear that "the large extratropical cyclone" (in Impact) is the "broad low pressure system" from the previous paragraph (in Meteorological history)?
    • WP:GA? 2a&b. Unable to verify some of the content with the citation provided, the reference was switched to one that is not very reliable. ... I just don't know what to do here. I would like some guidance. -maclean (talk) 18:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I will attempt to help you deal with the 2nd point Maclean. Im not going to make any bones about it the HURDAT Format is hard to read at first until it suddenly clicks when you compare it with a guide. To explain briefly the data runs across in 4 blocks {00, 06, 12, 18z) and the jump from tropical depression to tropical storm happens when its wind speeds = 35kts.

That describes the first reference that JC used. The second does indeed come from a less reliable source (ie Unisys instead of the NHC), but it is easier to read and contains the same data that the NHC Version contains just in a tider format. As for verifying that the cyclone moved north west: try typing the positions in to a map like Google earth. To JC it might be best to use the "Easy Hurdat" if you know where that is located or link to that article on Hurdat. Jason Rees (talk) 22:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ah, ok. When the wind speed (the second last column) increased from 30 on 09/11 to 45 on 09/12 the storm changed designations from Tropical depression to Tropical storm. I can also see the longitude/latitude changes for the direction. Thanks. If the current ref is from a less reliable source perhaps the first url would be best. -maclean (talk) 04:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done with everything. –Juliancolton | Talk 23:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thank you everybody for your assistance. maclean (talk) 06:23, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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