Talk:Trois petites liturgies de la présence divine

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Did you know... that music critic Claude Rostand described Olivier Messiaen's Trois petites Liturgies de la Présence Divine as a "work of tinsel, false magnificence and pseudo-mysticism"?

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Can this piece really be called "Chamber Music"? I think not; it's scored for too large a group.Xenofan 29A (talk) 18:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not. Apparently fr.wiki was mistaken in their instrumentation list...I'll rm the cat. Hermione1980 18:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"orchestra (without winds)" Without brass too. Why not simply "strings" or "string orchestra"?--Wetman (talk) 17:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well..."winds" is broadly construed as the woodwinds and brass (both of which require "wind" to play); since it includes a percussion section, it might not be the best wording, but it's at least technically accurate. Hermione1980 17:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization

Can anyone explain the eccentric (and inconsistent) capitalization of the title of Messiaen's composition in this article? There are two norms for capitalization in French, so far as I am aware: the "sentence case" form, in which only the first word and proper nouns are capitalized (Trois petites liturgies de la Présence Divine, where the last two words are treated as a proper noun), and the "capitalize the first noun and all preceding words, plus proper nouns" form, which happens to be the version preferred by the MLA (Trois Petites Liturgies de la Présence Divine). The title and lede capitalize "Liturgies" but not "petite", and thus are not consistent with either norm, whereas the first sentence of the body text has the shortened "Trois petites liturgies", which follows the first norm. A quick check of the Messiaen article finds two occurrences of this title, with this same eccentric French capitalization, but with an English translation in each case that follows the first French norm, which is only a variant format in English!—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Movement Descriptions

They are very bare-bones at the moment, and should be expanded. Care should be taken, of course, to avoid the kind of over-wrought glorification found in many other articles' movement descriptions, focusing instead on factual explication. I don't have the skill in analysis to provide very helpful technical descriptions, though. However, I can pull a few interesting things from the score (Published by Editions Durand & C, Paris). The second movement features quickly shifting time signatures and additive rhythms. The third begins with chanting, with different parts of the choir chanting different notes, which form a tone cluster from E through F an octave higher. Xenofan 29A (talk) 21:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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