Talk:Triple Crown (American basketball)

Other triple crowns

Parking this here for reference. There's other triple crowns mentioned. Not sure if they're just trivial or warrant their own dedicated page, WP:BROADTOPIC page, an "Others" section on this page, etc:

1. NCAA, WNBA, Olympics "Parker, the Los Angeles Sparks rookie forward who has helped rejuvenate interest in women’s professional basketball, is taking aim at becoming the first woman to win an N.C.A.A. championship, an Olympic gold medal and a W.N.B.A. title in the same year." (NY Times)
2. NBA title, NBA MVP, Olympics "I have in mind the particular triple capped off in London just a couple of months ago, when the U.S. Men's Basketball Team won the Olympic gold medal. Prominent among the players on that team was LeBron James, who'd just finished leading the Miami Heat to the NBA Championship after the regular season which had seen him named the league's Most Valuable Player." (WBUR)
3. NBA, Olympics, Champions Cup/Euroleague title "There are only two players that have won the Olympic Games, Champions Cup/Euroleague and NBA championships" {Euroleague.net)
4. Scoring, rebounds, assists title
   • "Nonetheless, it feels utterly insane to look at the three paragraphs above and realize Jokić has a chance to win the triple crown, leading the league in points, rebounds and assists per game," (The Athletic)
   • "He's averaging a 30/14/12 triple-double at the moment and is in sight of becoming the first NBA player to ever achieve the triple-crown." (ESPN)
   • "No player in NBA history has led the league in both assists per game and rebounds per game in separate seasons, let alone the same season ... There’s a nonzero chance that Jokic will invent the NBA triple crown this season. (The Ringer)
5. NBA MVP, DPOY, All-NBA "The triple crown in the NBA is the MVP, DPOY, and being on the first team All-NBA." (Sporting News)
6. NBA MVP, ASG MVP, Finals MVP "Players who have won the MVP award for the regular season, All-Star game and NBA Finals" (AP)
7. Coaching: NCAA, World Cup, Olympics "He completed an impressive triple crown by winning the world championships gold to go with an Olympic title in 2008 and an N.C.A.A. title at Duke in 2010." (NY Times)

—Bagumba (talk) 11:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: Good research, and thanks for your ongoing collaboration. To be clear, none of the research negates or diminishes the notability of this article topic; notability is not a relative property. There's clearly a notable topic for this page. If push comes to shove we can rename it to something like List of basketball players who have won an NCAA championship, NBA championship, and Olympic gold medal, but I'd ultimately prefer not to if at all possible because it's just a cumbersome unwieldy name (WP:CONCISE), and I'd venture to say this is the primary topic for American basketball Triple Crowns when looking at how much reliable in-depth coverage there is and how long it has been sustained (one of the books dates back to 1996). As for those other topics, one big thing to remember is WP:SUSTAINED: Notable topics have attracted attention over a sufficiently significant period of time. This is a major reason why a single source for any given combination/grouping isn't likely to satisfy notability guidelines. EuroLeague isn't an independent reference. #4 looks like WP:CRYSTAL. Another thing to remember is that if one individual player becomes the first to achieve a "new" accomplishment (i.e. Jokic pts/reb/ast or Davis "grand slam") I don't see the point of starting a standalone article when all the information can be integrated into that one player's article where it's fully relevant and within context. Probably why we don't have a separate article for Shohei Ohtani's 50-50 club. Lastly, I'd prefer to avoid this article morphing into a WP:COATRACK. Left guide (talk) 12:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just putting this here since I had already run accross them researching this current page. I'm not sure if Candace Parker is the only WNBA one, otherwise that might be an option to include under an (American basketball) page (like 50–40–90 club). But defintely go off WP:WEIGHT of sources. —Bagumba (talk) 12:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: When researching this current page, I simply typed all the player names together as a group in Google searches. Omitting Davis' name opens up more coverage across a longer timespan since he's a relatively recent addition. This method comes up with more focused selective results, and less indiscriminate, tangential, or ambiguous material. Left guide (talk) 12:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: In principle, I agree with adding Candace Parker and other women's players. It's relevant since the accomplishments are essentially the same and something the average reader could reasonably expect. However, without overview-level sourcing it gets into WP:OR territory and somewhat relatedly, there's also no way of assuring the list is complete. Oddly enough, while researching I found these two sources doing WP:CRYSTAL forecasting of Breanna Stewart achieving the feat when she was in college and hadn't yet played for the WNBA or Olympics, and according to her infobox here she has 3+ championships in each of those three areas. This source seems to also do CRYSTAL forecasting of Jackie Young back in the day, and according to her infobox she won all three types of titles. Another interesting research rabbit hole I guess. Left guide (talk) 13:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't necessarily need to be complete. Plenty of lists are tagged with {{Dynamic list}}. The women's list is potentially large per https://www.olympedia.org/lists/82/manual, which may or may not be reliable, but it's a good resource to search for potential reliable sources. —Bagumba (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: good find there, seems reliable from seeing Olympedia and the two RSN discussions, but it's basically just a stats database. So probably appropriate as an external link, but based on that alone, not full treatment as a table here in the article in accordance with WP:NOTSTATS articles with statistics should include explanatory text providing context. and WP:FALSEBALANCE. Left guide (talk) 18:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)