Talk:Trinity United Methodist Church (Evansville, Indiana)/GA1

GA Review

Unsuccessful. Nominator did not engage with the review. The changes suggested should be made before the article is nominated again, but it should be easy to get this to GA status if someone actually engages the review. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:22, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 08:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Welcome to GA, IndyNotes! This is a short little one, but that's not an issue. There are some layout issues that need addressing, and sourcing needs to be broadened beyond Bartelt. However, this is closer to ready than to not ready. 7-day hold. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@IndyNotes, it's been more than a week, and there has been no engagement with the improvements suggested by me and by Vami. If I don't get any further engagement by 12:00 UTC, 18 November, I will close this nomination as failed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:01, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copy changes

The lead needs to be a bit longer and contain an accessible summary. See MOS:INTRO. The length of a lead is, to some extent, proportional to the length of the page. Also consider adding ", United States" after "Evansville, Indiana" in the lead.
The first two paragraphs of "Architecture and construction" typically belong in the History section. Architecture sections typically consist of architectural details, not construction history, in this type of page.
For units, use {{convert}} to provide metric units. It does handle dimensions: e.g. {{convert|150 x 76|ft|m}} becomes 150 by 76 feet (46 m × 23 m).
Some of the prose is a bit too flowery, especially generic items like Gothic-style buildings had gained popularity by the 1840s as the Romantic movement in Europe rediscovered heavenward-pointed arches of the Middle Ages..

Sourcing

This is heavily reliant on Bartelt and nomination forms (for some reason, the actual NRHP nomination isn't cited). Do you have Newspapers.com access? WP:TWL can provide this to active Wikipedia editors like you (and me), and Newspapers.com does contain the major Evansville newspapers. That may assist with sourcing depth and also independence. I can also assist if you have an idea of what you need; I'm one of the largest Newspapers.com users on the encyclopedia.
The sentence Trinity helped plant most other Methodist churches in the region and also created or helped create many organizations, including the University of Evansville and local chapters of YWCA, Habitat for Humanity, Tri-State Food Bank, soup kitchens, and Meals on Wheels. needs more sourcing. This is quite the claim.

Other suggestions

Add alt text to photos. This isn't required by GA standards, but I do promote it at GA to encourage editors to learn about and use it and thereby make their pages more accessible to the visually impaired. The photos are all yours and fine to use. In the infobox, add the |alt= parameter with your alt text.

Infobox and NRHP status

Howdy. I'm here because Sammi and I discussed this GAN on the unofficial Wikimedia Discord server after she asked for a second pair of eyes. I got curious when I saw the NRHP documents weren't cited (at least not in the traditional sense), and then noticed that this church isn't actually an independent listing - it's a contributing property of the Downtown Evansville MRA. The NRIS link doesn't go to any entry if you click on it. The infobox template will thus have to be changed to reflect the church's status as a CP.

I also second the suggestion of citing relevant NRHP documentation; they're reliable, have bibliographies, and are in the public domain so if need be you can use direct quotations from them as long as you credit the document and its authors with Template:Source-attribution. –♠Vamí _IV†♠ 22:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.