Talk:Trinitarians
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Slavery and crusades
[edit]The founding-intention for the Order was the ransom of Christians held captive by non-believers during the time of the Crusades.
- It`s certainly true that the founding intention was to free Christian slaves, but this has to bee seen in a broader picture then just the time of the crusades. Slavery of Christans (and other Nonmuslims) was a problem before the crusades, during and long time after the crusades. Also not only Crusaders where captured and or enslaved. It was a development that culminated in the conflicts during the 16 and 19. century. Barbary States see also: Arab slave trade 62.178.137.216 (talk) 18:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Text relating to image (I think)
[edit]I removed the below text. It may be relevant but if so needs to be worked into the text -
- "It should be noted that the actual vision of St. John de Matha was of Christ and two captives not an angel as has been reflected at times erroneously in some works of art. See the Mosaic St. John de Matha had installed in Rome at St. Thomas in Formis for an account of the vision. (See The Order of the Holy Trinity and Captives, by Andrew Witko, Krakow 2008)"
--User:Boreas74 Talk 18:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Framing
[edit]This issue was raised over a decade ago but has not been adequately addressed. The article reads:
- The founding-intention for the order was the ransom of Christians held captive by Muslims, a consequence of crusading and of pirating along the Mediterranean coast of Europe.
As pointed about another user (in 2009!!), the enslavement of Christians did not begin with the Crusades and Mediterranean piracy began long before. I propose to change it to read something along the lines of:
- The founding intention of the order was the ransoming of Christians held captive by Muslims as a result of piracy on the Mediterranean and later crusading.
This keeps the general sentiment of the original text but also makes the history clearer, and stops it from being a mere copy paste from an outdated version of the Trinitarians' website.