Talk:Tricana poveira

Copyediting

I wanted to copyedit this article, but I realized that there's still a lot that I just flat-out don't understand:

• What exactly is "fishing communities" supposed to mean?

• I've never seen the term "foppish" referring to a woman.

• The lede says that this style is still around, yet the entire "description" section is written in the past tense. Which is it?

• "With their peculiar way of walking and dressing they were described as common people with the mannerisms of royalty." Described by whom?

• The prepositional phrase "from the 20s to 60s" is ambiguous. Are you saying that it was costumes were foppish back then, but aren't now, or that the look became fashionable in those decade?

• Being the daughters " of shoemakers, carpenters and several other crafts" wouldn't necessarily mean those girls are blue-collar workers.

• "They adapted their knowledge to their own dressing style" What knowledge?

Could you help me with this?--Carabinieri (talk) 17:22, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• Hello Carabinieri, thank you for your input.

1. I removed the sentence fishing communities, although in ethnographic terms it makes sense, but I removed as it is not in the original text and the costume is not used only by the fishing community (or communities) but every girl.
2. I changed the term "foppish" to "colourful", it is a translation from "garrido", and possibly the author wrote about the color.
3. the author was describing when it was mainstream fashion, currently is mostly used for folklore and, nowadays, girls dressed like that very rarely wear a shawl.
4. the author of the book did. Although the original word was "like a Queen".
5. The later. It was fashion back then. It is still colourful.
6. Can't answer that. It was added during copyediting.
7. As they worked as dressmakers or were the daughters of shoemakers they created their own clothes and changed their footwear, that is, what they wore and still wear, is something designed by them! So they would go outdoors with their own fashion creations.

--Pedro (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your clarifications. Could you please review the edits I made, just to make sure I got everything right. Moving on to the history section

• What exactly do you mean by "strong impact"? Popularity?
• The description section says that this was a blue-collar thing, now you're saying that was middle class.
• What do you mean by "will of the tricana girl"?
• There's some ambiguity as to is "still kept as a strong tradition"?
• Saying that the group Tricanas Poveiras are both regional and city-wide doesn't make sense. If they have members throughout the region Povoa de Varzim is located in, then that would obviously also include that city.
• The way the article is currently structured doesn't make a lot of sense. Less than half of the history section is really about history while the description section does cover the history in part.--Carabinieri (talk) 13:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks great. Everything is correct.

• Yes, popularity. They were considered attractive/sexy and even people from outside of the city talked about it.
• The author said that, maybe because every girl used it. And being from those professions a person wouldnt be exactly low class in the local society during that period of time. Carpinter for instance was a prosperous family business.
• Problem in translation: changed to "preferences"
• I see, what it means is that it was never lost and became an important tradition to such an extent that there are several urban folklore groups thar relly on it, and most importantly, it is used by girls during the city parades, these festivities are as important as Christmas is. Some mothers also dress their little girls like this. It became a strong tradition, although it is no longer used in everyday life.
• You are correct, removed city-wide, that folklore group is regional in nature. the city is the most important part of it, but includes areas outside the city.

thank you for your work. --Pedro (talk) 14:52, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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