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History and General use

In North America, treenails are generally made of black locust, not honey locust because black locust is stronger and more rot resistant than Honey locust.^[1] ^[2] The wood is frequently referred to as locust, which can lead to confusion. Osage orange is also used for the same reason. English oak was in Europe.^[3] ^[4] NewGert (talk) 20:00, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Specter, Peter (1996). Planking and Fastening. WoodenBoat Books. p. 66. ISBN 9780937822418.
^ https://books.google.com/books?id=qVUD70nM898C&source=gbs_navlinks_s
^ Christy, Wyville (1904). Practical Treatise on the Joints Made and Used by Builders in the Construction of Various Kinds of Engineering and Architectural Works ... C. Lockwood and son. p. 99. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |ignore-isbn-error= ignored (|isbn= suggested) (help)
^ https://books.google.com/books?id=5lcUAQAAMAAJ&source=gbs_navlinks_s

Uses in Ships

The statement that the use of different species from the planking causes rot is questionable. Neither black locust nor osage orange has this problem. Due to exposed endgrain, even matching species can rot more readily than the surrounding wood.

The use of copper nails to secure copper sheathing has nothing to do with the ship structure or the phasing out of treenails.

The terms bolt and dump need to be defined because usage has changed since 1876. Dumps are tapered spikes as defined in reference 12, page 240 and the modern bolt is referred to as threaded bolts, while bolts are often square (p. 190) and from figure 14 on p. 175 and p. 350 they appear to have a head on one end like a modern nail. (https://books.google.com/books?id=gTYEAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA231&lpg=PA231&dq=bolts+and+dumps&source=bl&ots=u_J7LRsl-x&sig=ACfU3U0HqVus4PmyF-bURorWaTDQ4mHtBw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjl8-nFnebjAhVHAZ0JHfFSCZYQ6AEwEHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=dumps&f=false)NewGert (talk) 08:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

images

I just uploaded to commons, treenails from French ship La Belle, 1684, now in The Story of Texas Museum

[1] Specter, Peter (1996). Planking and Fastening. WoodenBoat Books. p. 66. ISBN 9780937822418.

[2] ttps://books.google.com/books?id=qVUD70nM898C&source=gbs_navlinks_s

[3] Christy, Wyville (1904). Practical Treatise on the Joints Made and Used by Builders in the Construction of Various Kinds of Engineering and Architectural Works ... C. Lockwood and son. p. 99. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |ignore-isbn-error= ignored (|isbn= suggested) (help)

[4] ttps://books.google.com/books?id=5lcUAQAAMAAJ&source=gbs_navlinks_s

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