Talk:Trebaruna
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Fluffy bunny
[edit]More "fluffy bunny" neo-pagan wishful thinking and rumour presented as hard fact with no citations - c.f. Lusitanian Mythology and Runesocesius. Heavily edited. Paul S (talk) 22:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
- And now it's reverted back to fluffy bunnyness by an anonymous person 95.69.111.27, with no reason or justification given. Reversion reverted. The admins are going to be given more work, no doubt. 95.69.111.27, do you have any sources at all? Paul S (talk) 15:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Religiões da...?
[edit]Sorry about Religiões da Lunfardo- that's what appeared when I viewed the reproduced A.P. article in HTML. Weird! It appears from the full article, however, that it wasn't J.L. de V. (when does he get his own page in English?) who alleged the link with Roman Victoria at all that was done by someone else who wrote Trebaruna, Deusa Lusitana, ode heroica and dedicated it to him. Can anyone find who the author of this poem was? This article also helpfully supplies a citation for the OCONVS OCONIS inscription. Paul S (talk) 17:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
The edit war
[edit]This is, as I predicted now an edit war, so I've no choice but to take it to the Powers That Be. Trebaruna, Deusa Lusitana, ode heroica is not by Sr. Dr. de Vasconcelos; this is a misattribution. Anonymous users are simply editing without making any supporting arguments - again! Paul S (talk) 18:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- Where are your supporting arguments to say such things? You even want to use a poem (ode) of JL vasconcelos as an evidence. Very funny, almost as funny as that country called Lunfarda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.132.213 (talk) 23:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- Check the referenced O Archeologo Português article - it's online as a pdf. If I read correctly, the poem is not by JL de V, it's dedicated to him, as the discoverer of Trebaruna, by someone else. The library has him as the author, but that looks like a mistake. "Lunfarda" was what an html preview of the pdf gave me and I pasted it (foolishly as it turns out) without noticing. The poem is cited because it seems to have begun the idea of T. as a war goddess instead of as a guardian of the home as her name suggests (the French bit in the article) Paul S (talk) 12:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
- My bad - it does seem to be by him after all! Paul S (talk) 18:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)]
- Check the referenced O Archeologo Português article - it's online as a pdf. If I read correctly, the poem is not by JL de V, it's dedicated to him, as the discoverer of Trebaruna, by someone else. The library has him as the author, but that looks like a mistake. "Lunfarda" was what an html preview of the pdf gave me and I pasted it (foolishly as it turns out) without noticing. The poem is cited because it seems to have begun the idea of T. as a war goddess instead of as a guardian of the home as her name suggests (the French bit in the article) Paul S (talk) 12:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
So, the sequence of events seems to be that JL de V discovers the inscription and writes a poem celebrating T. as Victoria. Later, Jubainville suggests a Celtic (or cognate with Celtic) reading of the name "Secret of the House" (secret de la maison) which contradicts the idea of a victory goddess. Neo-Pagans in Portugal seem to stick with the original idea, however... is this for another reason, apart from the ode heroica? The page is here http://biblioteca.mnarqueologia-ipmuseus.pt/oarqueologo/OAP_S1_v29_1933/OAP_S1_v29_1933_150dpi_pdf/p163-168/p163-168.pdf my Portuguese is, as you may have noticed, appallingly bad: it was the French bit I was interested in. Paul S (talk) 19:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
'Her name could be derived from the Celtic *trebo (home) and *runa (secret, mystery)...'
[edit]Her name could also be interpreted as a Celtiberian reflex of Proto-Celtic *treb(o)-aru-no- ~ *treb(o)-arou-no- [house-grain-ish] '(goddess) of household corn.' This might imply a Celtiberian Ceres, perhaps an Iberian counterpart to the Gaulish Segeta 'the sown (goddess).' Geoffrey.M.Gleadall (talk) 03:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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