Talk:Transportation demand management

Although there doesn't seem to be a perfect match -- "vehicle" seems to be a better stub identification than "road". TDM affects all transportation modes, often least of all roads.

Disambiguation page needed

I am trying to create an article on mobility management in the US which relates specifically to the provision of transportation services for transportation disadvantaged populations. TDM is often referred to as Mobility Management in european and british commowealth countries. Mobility management is also the title of a page relating to the telecommunications industry. I think a diambiguation page is needed for these topics. AccessPlanner (talk) 06:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please verify "car use" and "household" only

Can someone please provide here, the precise quote, and context, from the cited Nelson, Donna C source, which supports the phrase "reduce or redistribute demand for car use by encouraging the behavioural change of household choices of travel". Does it specifically limit TDM to cars only, and then only use as by households - excluding other vehicles and commercial car users? -- de Facto (talk). 13:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That definition is the original one of the short article before I did my contributions. Its very similar to the ITE, but you catch the key differences. The article in Wiki in Spanish has a better definition and the transcription of ITE's definition. I will bring it to this article as soon as I have some time and discuss it here before editing the article.Mariordo (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the contentious parts from the description, until they can be confirmed from a reliable reference. -- de Facto (talk). 19:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)~[reply]

OK, but you deleted precisely the reference you are asking for below <citation needed>. Also let me explain that I did involuntarily switched the two FHWA references, that's why you were lost (I brought them form the Spanish article I contribute with which has a slightly different content). Tonight I will fix the references, rescue the lost one, and put here the formal definition in the ITE book for discussion. Anyway, let me tell you that the original concept indeed was aimed for auto use and developed only for urban transportation. Today the goal is to improve efficiency of the urban transportation system, though can be applied to other modes.Mariordo (talk) 20:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The following definition comes from chapter 10^[1], by C. Kenneth Orski, Past Chairman TDM Council, Institute of Transportation Engineers:

"TDM has been succinctly described as the art of influencing traveler behavior with the aim of reducing automobile travel demand, or redistributing this demand in space or in time." As you can see, this formal definition is not so different from the one you deleted. The context is the following, as explained now in the article, TDM was born as an answer to the oil crises of 1970 and 1979, and previously the concept (not the acronym) was used during WWII in order to conserve gasoline. So, its origins are related to automobiles, yes. TDM has been part of US legislation, in 1974 was institutionalized by FHWA UMTA as part of TSM (Transportation Systems Managements, as it was called at first). As TDM was included in the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990. It has been an evolving concept. At first, though it refers to demand in the economic sense, it included both supply and demand management. Also, it has to do a lot with public transportation, since TDM needs to provide for alternative modes. Lately, we have ITS technologies applied to TDM. Note that in both cases the acronym refers to Transportation, when in fact applies mainly to traffic and urban transportation, however, many concepts and technologies have cross over between the several transportation modes. I suggest you do a Google search for more details on any of these subjects or to find more updated definitions (I am planning to do so, but I am working on other articles right now), and remember that lack of references/citations not necessarily means that the info is wrong. Let's collaborate with patience. Let's collaborate with patience, discussing in the Talk pages first.Mariordo (talk) 02:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

^ Nelson, Donna C., Editor (2000), Intelligent Transportation Primer, Institute of Transportation Engineers, Washington, D.C. pp. 10-1, ISBN 0-935403-45-0 {{citation}}: |first= has generic name (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

PD: I will do the other fixes later (web refs) or you are welcome to do them.Mariordo (talk) 02:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization

I have moved the article to remove capitalization. Based on feedback that this may be incorrect, I will post my reasoning. If consensus states otherwise, I will be happy to move the article back.

Rationale: Per manual of style: "[concerning titles,] [t]he first letter of the first word, letters in acronyms, and the first letter of each word of a proper noun are capitalized; all other letters are in lower case". So this article can only be capitalized if "transportation demand management" is a proper noun. Per the article on nouns: "Proper nouns (also called proper names) are nouns representing unique entities (such as London, Universe or John), as distinguished from common nouns which describe a class of entities (such as city, well or person)." Wiktionary states that management is an uncountable noun. Because transportation demand management clearly is not a unique entity, it is incorrect to capitalize; even if it is technical term. On a general note, there are hundreds or articles on Wikipedia that are incorrectly capitalized, and should be speedily moved. Arsenikk ^(talk) 13:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editing article

I am partway through a major edit of this article, have added a lot of background info and am now researching an updated TDM definiton and TDM toolkit.Travelplanner (talk) 09:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FACostello addition: Although TDM advocates ignore reducing traffic by tele-commuting, tele-working, tele-conferencing and tele-shopping, these are all methods of accomplishing the desired goal of reducing vehicle miles traveled. Tele-working can be accomplished either from home or from satellite offices. There is usually little reason for all to be in the same building. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FACostello (talk • contribs) 16:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Nelson, Donna C., Editor (2000), Intelligent Transportation Primer, Institute of Transportation Engineers, Washington, D.C. pp. 10-1, ISBN 0-935403-45-0 {{citation}}: |first= has generic name (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

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