Talk:Transparent Language Online

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... I'm reading this as not unambiguously promotional, certainly at every version. No objection to AfD testing. --Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:06, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Cleanup post December 2021 XfS

Per XfD close 26 December 2021: While there is a fallback stubified aseline version at 1064718635 its probably neither helpful nor productive to go back to that though and BEFORE that failed to recognised that would be perhaps be invited to the fish farm; however I have very quickly blanked a few sections with primary or even no sources. The 7000 may need a careful look over but I haven't the time for that or any more. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

January 2022 deletions

On 2022-01-12 @Djm-leighpark: deleted a couple of sections, saying, "WP:PROMO per close. .... if you put it back like that there will probably be a problem. Did not you read the closer comment ?)". I did read all comments, and acknowledge I had trouble understanding them: "aseline...to that though and BEFORE that failed to recognised that would be perhaps be invited to the fish farm..." The comment did say "blanked a few sections with primary or even no sources". The sections I put in, which were deleted, do have secondary sources.

Later the same day, @Onel5969: deleted some more paragraphs, which also had secondary sources, saying "‎Products and services: remove all promotional content". These were paragraphs about the quality of the program from academic journals. As far as I can tell the authors are not related to the company. They establish the notability of the topic, rather than being promotional. Kim9988 (talk) 01:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kim9988: If your unsure ask at WP:TEAHOUSE for advice. But if your too clever for that then do what you think, Hopefully the point at which Onel5969 has now taken it, ie Old revision of Transparent Language Online is a stable baseline from which content can be built making sure no WP:SPS are used for anything promotional looking. As far as I can you may have attempted to circumvent an XfD by re-introducing the article under a different name. I'm assuming you don't have a COI here. Thankyou. 01:59, 15 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-leighpark (talk • contribs) 01:59, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I haven't re-introduced the article under a different name. I don't know that anyone has, and don't know what made the anonymous commenter above think of it. (and yes, no COI) Kim9988 (talk) 18:53, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Kim9988: Firstly may I apologise for signing above incorrectly. Then I will assume you don't know about this request to get a copy of Transparent Language which you leveraged to create Transparent Language Online. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark:Thanks for reminding me of that message. It shows I was open about asking to re-start the article with reliable sources which had not been in the article when it was deleted. There is a widely used term in linguistics, "transparent language" "i.e. obey one-to-one relationships between meaning and form". Since there needs to be and no doubt will be an article in Wikipedia on that topic, I created this article for the teaching program with the more specific title Transparent Language Online. If there's a reason to prefer the earlier title, an editor can change it. Kim9988 (talk) 20:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Reliable sources which support the article have been deleted by a couple of editors 2022-01-12 A and 2022-01-12 B. I'm putting the material here so an editor can put these sources appropriately into the article. Kim9988 (talk) 20:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• Transparent Language Online (TLO) is a web-delivered language learning platform that provides access to the full suite of products, including vocabulary lists, Essentials course, a grammar reference section including grammar videos and written explanations, and cultural resources including language blogs and social communities.

• [Byki] was available in three platforms:

• A Canadian department head for French and Spanish in 1992 found it "an extremely useful addition to the software library of foreign-language teachers," because of the interest of its readings and its ability to translate individual words, a full phrase, or a full sentence, to keep the reader reading.

• A US director of instructional technologies in 1998 found it "a very successful program probably because of its multi-layered design." She noted its authentic texts, grammar notes, cultural notes, translations, slide shows and videos.

• A US professor of German in 2002 commented on its speech recognition, and graphs comparing each learner's pronunciation with native pronunciation.

• A US lecturer in Chinese studies in 2018 found it convenient and "suitable for anyone with minimal computer language.

• Pakistani professors of Education and English in 2019 measured its effectiveness on 270 students and found it "heightened student interest and motivation in learning... improved academic performance."

• Transparent Language partners with schools, universities, and libraries to offer its language learning products to students and communities. These institutions integrate Transparent Language Online into their classroom instruction or provide access to the program in their resource libraries.