Talk:Transgenderism (social movement)

Recent move of article to Transgenderism (social movement)

Following a message to my talk page about being bold & not proposing the move first, I posted a message at WT:LGBT for other users more expert in transgender to review the move. Thread is @ WT:LGBT#Transgenderism moved to Transgenderism (social movement) if any editors following this page are interested. Thx, Wikignome0529 (talk) 19:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've redirected this page to Transgender, on the basis that it's an unsalvageable mess of original research. Rebecca (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rebecca, let's resolve this dispute to avoid an edit war. I'm opposed to redirecting this article to Transgender. I propose a split into multiple articles accessible from a disambiguation page. --Loremaster (talk) 23:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How can you split this into multiple articles? Half of this should be in postgender; the other half is complete original research. Rebecca (talk) 03:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Transgender, Transgenderism (social movement), Transsexualism, and Postgenderism are multiple articles which are accessible from the Transgenderism disambiguation page. I've deleted the speculative mention of "gender identity disorder" because it was unsourced. The mention of the International Journal of Transgenderism was moved to the disambiguation page. The content about postgenderism that was in the Transgenderism (social movement) article was obviously moved to the Postgenderism article. The current content of all these articles is based on reliable sources so there is no original research. --Loremaster (talk) 05:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rebecca, I think the current content of the Transgenderism (social movement) article is notable and based on a reliable source. The article not only deserves to exist but should be expanded. However, if you disagree, you should propose that we merge it with some other article rather than simply redirect it. --Loremaster (talk) 17:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no particular objection to it being a disambiguation page, but I continue to object to the current wording of the article. There is no such thing as a "transgenderism movement". It doesn't exist, and it can't be backed up in multiple reliable sources. That one person in 1995 proposed it doesn't make that notable. I redirect it to transgender because that's the only appropriate action; what the article is referring to is a transgender rights movement - just one that is not known as "transgenderism". This is as ridiculous as writing a homosexualism article and claiming it's some new offshoot of the gay rights movement; and precisely why that link redirects to homosexuality. Rebecca (talk) 19:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Rebecca here. The article even says "For many in the transgender - or "trans" - movement..." What's the difference between the "transgenderism movement" and the transgender rights movement? I don't think one book warrants an encyclopedia entry about a movement. If there are more sources confirming that a "transgenderism movement" exists, than it makes sense to have it, otherwise, I think it should redirect to transgender. Chocolateluvr88 (talk) 19:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no article for "transgender rights" or "transgender rights movement" and the Transgender article barely mentions the issue of rights. That's why the Transgenderism (social movement) article is necessary. --Loremaster (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you had suggested something to this effect earlier, but how about if the 2 articles are merged so that there's a "Transgender Rights Movement" section within Transgender? Chocolateluvr88 (talk) 20:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would support a merge. --Loremaster (talk) 21:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It presently falls under LGBT social movements, which is fine by me. The problem is that a merge is not acceptable; there is no movement called "transgenderism". Rebecca (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know about how a merge works. I agree that it should not be called "transgenderism," it should be called "transgender rights movement". I don't think that what is included under LGBT social movements really covers the idea of a transgender rights movement, separate from the LGBT movement as a whole. (It mentions Leslie Feinberg, but there isn't much). Perhaps another option is a "Transgender rights movement" section within LGBT social movements. Also, I would think Transgender should include a couple sentences and a link to wherever the Transgender rights movement is discussed. Chocolateluvr88 (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It should noted somewhere that Rothblatt (who is a notable person) made the suggestion that the transgender rights movement should be called “transngenderism” despite the fact that her suggestion never gained currency. --Loremaster (talk) 23:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]